Winchester's New .21 Sharp Cartridge

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Winchester's New .21 Sharp Cartridge Sept 23, 2024 18:26:23 GMT -5

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Post by hacker54 on Sept 23, 2024 18:26:23 GMT -5

Yes guys a new cartridge as if there isn't enough already as with powder to. Well ya might want to sit down for this one. You see it is a rim fire. That's right a rim fire. It will chamber in a 22lr BUT the bullet is smaller in diameter. This round doesn't use the old step heel bullet as one would think. This uses a bullet that fits in side the case like a 22 WMR or your typical center fire handgun or rifle cartridge. As I stated it will chamber but to be accurate you nee a barrel to handle the smaller diameter. Here is a link to read over. I won't be investing in this because we have billions of 22lr ammo out there. So with that read it over and give your comments.

www.americanrifleman.org/content/winchester-s-new-21-sharp-cartridge/?utm_source=emailoctopus&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Top%20Picks%3A%20Must-Read%20Firearm%20Articles%20of%20the%20Week%209%2F19%2F2024

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Winchester's New .21 Sharp Cartridge Sept 24, 2024 12:03:03 GMT -5

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Post by poohzilla on Sept 24, 2024 12:03:03 GMT -5

Aside from the ability to use a relatively easy to manufacture bullet, usable in California (jacketed, as I understand it) I don't see a lot of future for this round. Looking into my crystal ball, I see a lot of orphaned rifles. Maybe my view is warped by my youthful attraction to the 5mm Remington Magnum. Fortunately, I didn't have the funds or age to buy one back then ! I wish everyone luck, but if this was going to be done, it probably should have happened around 1900 ! Thanks for sharing !

bob Member I'm too old to be nice but never too old to learn! Posts: 1,457 Location: Northern California	Winchester's New .21 Sharp Cartridge Sept 24, 2024 14:45:56 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by bob on Sept 24, 2024 14:45:56 GMT -5 As Sgt. Schultz would say, "vely intrustink".
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SnapShot Member Jeep & Mocha "Remembering Patches, always" Posts: 699 Location: Finally free from the Republic of Kalifornia!	Winchester's New .21 Sharp Cartridge Sept 24, 2024 16:34:44 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by SnapShot on Sept 24, 2024 16:34:44 GMT -5 From what I can see . . . I'm not worried about being trampled in a stampede of fellow shooters rushing out to buy this latest creation. Looks like R&D money could have been better spent.
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Winchester's New .21 Sharp Cartridge Sept 25, 2024 16:02:21 GMT -5

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Post by poohzilla on Sept 25, 2024 16:02:21 GMT -5

I was on the road today, and got to thinking about this one. It would seem that they could have simply revived the old .22WRF and achieved what they wanted. I can think of two reasons-the existing rifles in .22WRF are pretty old, and they may have wanted more flexibility in pressures and such, and everyone is tooled up to make .22LR cases. Notice that Winchester and Savage are both offering new rifles in the .21.

hacker54 Global Moderator Nothing like my COFFEE in the morning!!!! Posts: 1,502 Location: Sunbury,PA.	Winchester's New .21 Sharp Cartridge Sept 25, 2024 17:38:46 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by hacker54 on Sept 25, 2024 17:38:46 GMT -5 Agree Pooh as I think they could have brought back the 22 Win Rim Fire. Now that would gain my interest.
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bob Member I'm too old to be nice but never too old to learn! Posts: 1,457 Location: Northern California	Winchester's New .21 Sharp Cartridge Sept 26, 2024 8:36:06 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by bob on Sept 26, 2024 8:36:06 GMT -5 I wonder what the actual bullet diameter is. I also have a Winchester '06 in 22WRF so it would be nice to bring it back.
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hacker54 Global Moderator Nothing like my COFFEE in the morning!!!! Posts: 1,502 Location: Sunbury,PA.	Winchester's New .21 Sharp Cartridge Sept 26, 2024 8:58:04 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by hacker54 on Sept 26, 2024 8:58:04 GMT -5 Bob the 21 Sharp uses a bullet with a diameter of .2105.
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Winchester's New .21 Sharp Cartridge Sept 26, 2024 12:12:36 GMT -5

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Post by poohzilla on Sept 26, 2024 12:12:36 GMT -5

Bob, years ago I had a friend who had a 1906, and sometime prior to his passing, I think Aguillar did a run. As I understand it, the case for the .21 is the same as the .22 LR, but they made the bullet smaller to avoid the heel thingie. In the meantime on a hunch, I found this:

www.midwayusa.com/product/1301126619?pid=229364

Hacker, maybe the revived T/C will do a WRF chambering in the Contender !

bob Member I'm too old to be nice but never too old to learn! Posts: 1,457 Location: Northern California	Winchester's New .21 Sharp Cartridge Sept 26, 2024 14:34:59 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by bob on Sept 26, 2024 14:34:59 GMT -5 Thanks Hacker and Pooh for the information. A number of years ago Winchester did a run of WRF and I bought 500 rounds also I have 200 rounds of original WRF so I am in reasonable shape also I don't shoot that rifle often.
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