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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 3:14:13 GMT -5
Early this week I was contacted by a befriended farmer who has a problem of an overpopulation of migrating geese on this land. This is a yearly occurring for him, the last couple of years he just could ask for a special permit from the state (called “province” here). But this year the province has decided that hardly no gees hunting permits will be given. Local and national anti hunting groups demanded this. Since he doesn’t hunt him self he asked me to take care of it. Again I was honoured and pleased he asked me. This morning we went out scouting where the geese stayed on his land together with the state game warden/inspector. There where a lot of them and I mean a lot, easy a couple hundred at least. But there was something going on with a very small flock (see the cell phone pictures). We could sneak up on them within less than 15 meters before they flew away. According to my friend this small group of geese also walks through his garden/backyard. One might think these are tame ones.... very strange to say the least. The state inspector could clearly see the huge (crop) damage done by these geese and he granted a permit for 3 days for week 29-2014. Next Monday I can pick up the permit, than I will see what the bag limit will be (we asked for 20 to 30). I can invite one more hunter to do the job. I’m looking forward to bring some tasty geese home. But I’m a bit under the weather the last couple weeks, I have a (right hand) elbow bursitis (inflammation) that is pretty darn painful. The doctor advised me to take it easy for 4 to 6 weeks or better even longer with my arm. It could not happen at a worse time, currently I can not even shoot/hold/handle a light .22 pistol or a even a pencil for that matter.  This week in the Netherlands the school holidays started and my wife and kids are free (my wife is a teacher). Although neither of them have hunting licence I think I will bring my son or wife with me just in case I can’t handle the 12ga safely. Most likely it will be my wife since she has a gun licence and is pretty darn good with a 12ga shooting skeet & trap. In the meanwhile I contacted a good friend and fellow hunter to join me, he was pleased as well. PJ.   |
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Post by et1 on Jul 11, 2014 6:15:11 GMT -5
PJ
Hope you have a honking good time in reducing the number of geese.
Here in Canada farmers are allowed to request and acquire a nuisance permit for what you are about to contend with. The names of the designated shooters must be on the permit. The one catch is that you can’t keep the geese for consumption.
Here Migratory birds are under federal law even though policed by the provincial MNR or RCMP.
To be convicted of breaking any laws governing migratory birds that automatically gets you a criminal record.
As they say. “different strokes for different folks”.
Ed
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 6:37:04 GMT -5
Ed,
Normally we also only can shoot as much as we can eat (that is 2 to 3). And like in Canada my name and that of my fellow hunter is on the permit. On paper I will do the shooting, when I can't handle it (due to much pain with my elbow) my wife will do the shooting. That's not actually allowed but I have no other option. When I decline the permit this time than the chance is great that I will not receive one in the future. This "nuisance" permit allows to shoot more than we can eat, but I have no hard time getting rid of the shot geese. Just a couple calls to fellow hunters, family and shooting buddies.......
PJ
Forgot to ask: Is a game tag (like boar or deer) also valid for only the person named on the permit? Overhere in the Netherlands I can't give away of sell my tags. Not even to family or relatives. I once went hunting (trip) on Antilope in Wyoming and those tag's were also "personal" (with the name of the outfitter also mentioned on the permit).
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Post by et1 on Jul 11, 2014 7:49:44 GMT -5
PJ
Basically you are correct about game tag personalization and not being able to sell/pass them on. When party hunting is allowed any hunter can shoot the game animal but the owner of the tag must be present and only they can tag the animal. For anyone else possessing a game tag other than the owner both are in deep do-do.
Years ago when I started hunting fines were minimal and almost a joke.
Now you can lose;
All your equipment
Your vehicle is confiscated if illegally caught transporting the illegally taken animal
Fines have really increased and now possible jail time
Hunting privileges revoke for a period of time or even permanently depending on the offense.
Ed
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Post by hacker54 on Jul 11, 2014 7:53:31 GMT -5
Ed,
Since you stated that you can not keep the geese for consumption. What happens to the geese that are taken on the permit?
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Post by bob on Jul 11, 2014 8:29:25 GMT -5
Ed, PJ: In California the game tags are also issued to individuals however here only the person issued the tag may take the game,either big game or birds even if part of a group.
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Post by et1 on Jul 11, 2014 8:36:36 GMT -5
Ed, Since you stated that you can not keep the geese for consumption. What happens to the geese that are taken on the permit? Hacker54 According to the MNR nuisance animals taken under permits must be left there to hopefully discourage other animals from coming there. It was recommended by the MNR to position the geese belly up in the field. I don’t agree with the reasoning but then again I don’t make the rules. To me that is a real waste. Ed |
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Post by hacker54 on Jul 11, 2014 9:08:00 GMT -5
Ed,
That is a real shame and a terrible waste. Here in my state of Pennsylvania if a hunter is caught leaving game behind like that they can face a fine and have their hunting license revoked.
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Post by et1 on Jul 11, 2014 13:21:56 GMT -5
Hacker54
During normal hunting season it is an offence with penalties to let any game animals go to waste.
I guess that rule changes when operating under a nuisance permit in my location. Personally if they even allowed a reasonable percentage to keep and not go to waste I could accept that.
For me the real shame is when hunters don’t put a good effort in finding game for retrieval after shooting/hitting it. Thinking about this just drives my anger and blood pressure right up. Hard to believe that anothers careless attitude can be that detrimental to my health and welfare but it appears so.
Ed
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 4:21:47 GMT -5
The first catch of our gees hunting. Yesterday (Monday) we received a permit for 22 from the provincial authorities. A strange number (22 geese), but hey this is the government at work for you. These geese are most likely the ones we could sneak on so closely last Friday. We took home 9 of them. I think we did good on our 1st day (of the 3). I did shot only one, the rest was shot by my hunting buddy and my wife. It was to much for my painful elbow to continue my self, at least my wife enjoyed her self hunting and that’s a huge bonus. This morning we started at a nice and decent temperature of 15°C (59°F), for tomorrow and the day after the weather forecast will be 28°C (82°F) even up to 31°C. This makes the gees pretty slow (as it does for us). So we start very early at sunrise to finish the job. We checked 2 geese in the field to look for signs if they were healthy or not since they were not all that afraid for humans. All looks good and the fat was nice and bright white of colour no signs of extra feeding. Otherwise most of the times the fat will become of a more yellowish colour. It looks like these geese are young and of a generation that already know that they don’t have to fear humans. Apparently this is what a anti hunting laws does for you, wild live that will destroy your crop fields and even gardens/backyards. First wild boar and deer in the streets..... now geese? For the rest of the day we will be cleaning the geese and in to the freezer with them. Glad my son and friend are helping me with that job. PJ. Attachments:
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Post by et1 on Jul 15, 2014 11:52:29 GMT -5
PJ
Congrats on round 1.
Hope the pain in the elbow subsides some for you to shoot some more.
Ed
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Post by hacker54 on Jul 15, 2014 13:11:41 GMT -5
PJ,
Congrats on bagging the geese. Hope the problem with the elbow subsides. Good luck on the remaining days of the hunt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 3:48:33 GMT -5
 Yesterday we completed the bag limit (22) for our nuisance geese hunting permit. We were quit successful and I have to say that this probably the most easy goose hunting I ever participated in. Like I said before these geese were super easy to sneak up on. This morning I did some checking up on the results, about 50% of the geese did left the area. But look at these ones that are still there! The picture is taken about 15 to 20 meters away from me. They don’t seem to bother, not even in stress about my dog (who by the way gets crazy when he see them so close by). We have reported this to the game warden who initially did not believed us, but after seeing our pictures he was surprised to say the least. Those who I spoke about it all think that this is not good, meaning that they feel so safe that they don’t fear humans and dogs anymore. Does anyone experienced such a thing that one can walk up so close to wild/migrating geese? I do hunt (joined my dad and granddad) ducks & geese since I was 5 years of age but this is new to me. PJ. Attachments:
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Post by krwada on Jul 18, 2014 8:34:04 GMT -5
They are acting like domesticated farm animals.
Maybe what is happening is people, (city folk) are over feeding them at the city parks?
A lot of easily available food will encourage behavior such as this.
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Post by hacker54 on Jul 18, 2014 10:12:55 GMT -5
PJ,
Those geese that are becoming use to you and your dog and others are now becoming what we call resident geese. Beginning in September starts the season here for me. They have along with the migratory season we have a resident season. This is for the geese that do not migrate. These were once migrating geese that have now become residents of the area. The bag limit for these is about double of the bag linit for the rest of the season.
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My daughter came from Missouri, my son and grand son, my wife and I had a nice dinner of grilled "porter house" pork chops, corn on the cobb, my son, G'son and I share 10/5. G'son is 4 minutes early though @ 10/4.
Pooh I hope you find to right house . 
