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Post by gws on Aug 3, 2014 19:36:14 GMT -5
So what do you all think about this recent caliber invention?
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Post by poohzilla on Aug 3, 2014 20:07:23 GMT -5
Hi G- I've had a Van Horn barrel (1:8) for my Contender Carbine in .300 Whisper for something like ten years now. Shoots pretty much whatever its fed. I did some pretty extensive testing of different stuff, as I wrote an article for submision to Handloader. (Rejected...) I did loads ranging from a .30-30 clone to nice, quiet rounds with the 240 gr. Match King. I love it. I just cast a new batch of the Lee 230 gr bullet today-initial tests were pretty much as expected. For deer, I consider it short-range, but realtively quiet for some of those close-in areas where you try to be inconspicuous. I can't speak about it in the AR platform. I stuck with the Contender because it was relatively cheap, and I can shoot faster because I don't have to wait for that gas system to function !
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Post by gws on Aug 4, 2014 12:11:17 GMT -5
The NRA is doing their revenue raising gun giveaway again. (the guns obama, etc. want to ban) Anyway one of the rifles in the list is an AR 15 in .300 Blackout. I aways thought the caliber was a dumb idea to make a AK style round with even less power, but I'm curious if there's a legitimate reason it's popular in the gun forums right now. Anyone have one?
Pooh I know even less about the .300 Whisper......does whisper mean no power?
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on Aug 4, 2014 13:36:04 GMT -5
I just had to google it to even know what it was ........
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Post by dangun on Aug 4, 2014 13:38:05 GMT -5
Funny Shooting a 115gr .30cal in a 1:7 twist barrel. Hilarious even. That's way too fast of a twist. I guess when the velocity isn't high enough to make them fly apart it doesn't matter. Chuck, IMHO the biggest joke ever chambered.
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Post by poohzilla on Aug 4, 2014 14:11:16 GMT -5
G-the .300 Whisper was the original incarnation of the .300 Blackout. The name has been changed, and not much else. (There were trademark issues with J.D. Jones, who did the original development.) Dan, not sure what you're driving at.
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Post by hacker54 on Aug 4, 2014 14:45:27 GMT -5
Pooh, Even though both share the same load data but the cases are different. Since the Whisper was done first and the case dimensional drawing is copyrighted the 300 AAC Blackout has a slight different case dimensional drawing so as not to infringe on the copyright.
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on Aug 4, 2014 15:13:40 GMT -5
Funny Shooting a 115gr .30cal in a 1:7 twist barrel. Hilarious even. That's way too fast of a twist. I guess when the velocity isn't high enough to make them fly apart it doesn't matter. Chuck, IMHO the biggest joke ever chambered. Dan I had never heard of it before at least not that I can remember. Once I hit the AR platform I go ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ........
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Post by gws on Aug 4, 2014 15:44:54 GMT -5
Funny Shooting a 115gr .30cal in a 1:7 twist barrel. Hilarious even. That's way too fast of a twist. I guess when the velocity isn't high enough to make them fly apart it doesn't matter. Chuck, IMHO the biggest joke ever chambered. Dan I had never heard of it before at least not that I can remember. Once I hit the AR platform I go ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ........ What? You aren't impressed with the best platform to kill Zzzzzzzzzzzzz, oh sorry, Zombies? Seriously, tho, I love to shoot .223......like a non-kicking .22 but with the firepower to win battles.......barely. Besides what gun can you think of that's made to make you smile, while you fill a hillside with lead and empty a 30 round mag in 5 seconds!............and get rid of the crappy Wolf ammo you were suckered into buying.
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Post by poohzilla on Aug 4, 2014 16:10:27 GMT -5
Pooh, Even though both share the same load data but the cases are different. Since the Whisper was done first and the case dimensional drawing is copyrighted the 300 AAC Blackout has a slight different case dimensional drawing so as not to infringe on the copyright. Hi Hacker-- you are correct that the case dimensions are slightly different, and there are slightly different standards for the throat, none of which amounts to much at all, except apparently to the copyright lawyers. One thing makes me happy about having the .300 Blackout around--I occasionally find brass ! When I started with the Whisper, the choice was to reform .223/5.56 or neck up .22 Fireball. (With the Contender, I just blew them out with Bullseye and Cream of Wheat. No worry about clogging up the gas system !)
G-the Whisper has been around at least since the early '90s. Only recently have we seen popular usage in the black rifle thingies, and in the guise of the Blackout.
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Post by bob on Aug 4, 2014 20:21:42 GMT -5
First off I agree with Chucks feelings about the adult Tinker Toy or Leggo set. I've seen mention of both the Blackout and the Wisperer but quite honestly never understood the meritt of either other than another reload project lacking in anything useful except short raange paper hunting.
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Post by poohzilla on Aug 5, 2014 10:01:29 GMT -5
Bob, I understand your reservations about the AR platform. I used one in highpower for many years, it did what I needed, but I never got really attached to it, and actually sold it off when the market went crazy. (Making an obscene profit.)
As far as the Whisper, remember that my enthusiasm stems from my location in Central New Hampshire. Many of the available hunting areas are small, distances are short, and...some are close to developed areas. An accurate, quiet round is very nice in those circumstances. If I were in your neck of the woods, something with longer legs would be more to my liking. There are many paths to Nirvana, and the Whisper is one of them. There was a good article in Handloader back in 1992, if you've got any interest.
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Post by bob on Aug 5, 2014 17:13:19 GMT -5
Pooh: Given the hunting area you described I can see the desirability of that cartridge.
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Post by springfieldxdm on Aug 5, 2014 20:11:06 GMT -5
I've had a .300 blackout for quite a while. It's a fad and a new toy, and except for the subsonic rounds in a suppressed gun I see really no point. My gun is not suppressed, nor will ever be. I actually only keep it because its a conversation piece at the local range and come on, it turns money into a "bang". In reality a lot of guys in central ky are buying these things and are too lazy to make the brass so I have been selling the hell out of primed brass. Will it ever catch on, probably not. Is it fun, well hell yeah. My biggest concern is for the morons that are blowing up their AR's because they are forgetting to keep the blackout ammo seperate and are trying to send a thirty caliber round down a 22 caliber hole. This has happened at the police range I attend. The gentleman had been shooting .300 blackout all day and thought he ran out of ammo, so he switched his upper back to .223 and grabbed the closed magazine which just happens to be loaded with .300 blackout instead. After a few stitches and powder burns he will never make that mistake again. He was lucky, others might not be so lucky. Regardless a nice bushmaster was destroyed. Think of .300 blackout compared to other caliber, like you would sex. Some are better than others, but all of them are pretty good :-)
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Post by mule on Aug 12, 2014 8:51:14 GMT -5
From what I have seen, the round is ballisticly similar to the 30-WCF. I don't need another 30-30.
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Post by SnapShot on Aug 13, 2014 11:08:53 GMT -5
I have a S&W AR15 with both 5.56mm and 300 Blackout uppers. All I shoot is paper but enjoy both. I have 5.56 sighted in at 200 yds with Nikon 223 Scope and it's a performer. I have the EOTech holographic red dot set at 50 yds and it is a lot of fun and very accurate. Actually the 300 reminds me of shooting a 30 Carbine. If I was still hunting I would make use of it for short range brush hunting. As for chambering the wrong rounds (they do use the same magazine) I can't get them to chamber in the Smith & Wesson. The 5.56 is too long and the 300 is too fat. They do not feed at all in the incorrect chamber in the S&W. Not sure how the mix-up took place.
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Post by gws on Sept 18, 2014 23:08:47 GMT -5
Jmorris is a gun nut, a metal fabricator and machinist, who makes a living out of his well equipped metal shop. He decided to make a tool for .300 Blackout lovers using a little cheap Harbor Freight Drill Press, and a door window motor out of a car.. He thinks the caliber makes a pretty good "hog" gun, and home self defense round as well.
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Post by poohzilla on Sept 19, 2014 15:42:39 GMT -5
Only in America ! Love it !
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