jbnut
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Post by jbnut on Aug 4, 2014 18:31:43 GMT -5
Quick Question:
My boy purchased 2000 .40 S&W cases and now we are working on prepping them. Our question is: do you size the cases first and then use the bulge buster die or is it the other way around? What came first the chicken or the egg?
I have seen some very noticeable bulge's but not a lot of them but am I correct to assume that it would be smart to run all of the cases through the bulge buster just to keep everything uniform?
John
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Post by gws on Aug 4, 2014 20:15:53 GMT -5
I don't use Lee's bulge buster, so I have no idea what they size to, inside diameter-wise. I use the Redding G-Rx and using it you run all your brass through it first, then reload normally using a regular sizer, expander, and seater. What does the Lee instructions say? Most .40's sold today, even Glocks, don't make bulges requiring a bulge buster. Thankfully they have improved cartridge support in most pistols sold today.....the trouble is.....when you buy bulk so called "once-shot" .40 cases you don't know what they were shot out of, so it would probably be best to run them all though a "bulge-buster" first. That said, if you find cases with really prominent bulges like pictured below, they are weakened brass and I'd toss them into a box for recycling. A bulge buster will suck it in for you, but it won't make it strong again.
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jbnut
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Post by jbnut on Aug 4, 2014 21:06:53 GMT -5
Thanks GWS, I did see some that had bulges just like that, not a lot of them but some. We have been decapping them tonight so the next time through them we'll have to sort out the ones like this.
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gws
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Post by gws on Aug 4, 2014 22:24:29 GMT -5
I went to Lee's website and pulled up the Bulge Buster instruction sheet. I can see why you asked the question. They are not very clear. The fact that they suggested pushing the busted cases directly into a loading tube off the buster, in the case you have one of Lee's progressives, suggest that they expect you to load normally after.....that is size, expand, prime, charge, and seat. (and of course Lee wants you to use the factory crimp die that comes with the bulge buster ) They suggest their carbide sizers are made to prevent the lower bulge ring that other dies make was interesting. (making using the Bulge Buster a one time operation on any particular case) I can see that if one tries to size bulged cases without the bulge buster, but after using the Redding or Lee bulge removers, there's no bulge, so no carbide sizer is likely to bulge the case. They had a disclaimer too......don't use the bulge buster on brass shot in pistols with unsupported chambers! (referring to older Glocks folks) Well that relieves them of any responsibility doesn't it? What else are busters for? Not for weakened brass for sure......picture above again.
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jbnut
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Post by jbnut on Aug 5, 2014 4:29:11 GMT -5
I went to Lee's website and pulled up the Bulge Buster instruction sheet. I can see why you asked the question. They are not very clear. The fact that they suggested pushing the busted cases directly into a loading tube off the buster, in the case you have one of Lee's progressives, suggest that they expect you to load normally after.....that is size, expand, prime, charge, and seat. (and of course Lee wants you to use the factory crimp die that comes with the bulge buster ) They suggest their carbide sizers are made to prevent the lower bulge ring that other dies make was interesting. (making using the Bulge Buster a one time operation on any particular case) I can see that if one tries to size bulged cases without the bulge buster, but after using the Redding or Lee bulge removers, there's no bulge, so no carbide sizer is likely to bulge the case. They had a disclaimer too......don't use the bulge buster on brass shot in pistols with unsupported chambers! (referring to older Glocks folks) Well that relieves them of any responsibility doesn't it? What else are busters for? Not for weakened brass for sure......picture above again. Your mention of a "Progressive" press has opened my eyes, I still have a single stage press so I was still thinking 1 step at a time, so "busting" them first makes perfect sense.
The case you have pictured is what I always thought was the "Glock Bulge" that the Bulge Buster was made for but as you said that case really has been weakened. We will inspect the cases a little more going forward and sort these out for scrap.
Admin: I see now that I started this thread under "Handgun talk" instead of "Handgun Reloading" please feel free to move it where it belongs.
John
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Post by dangun on Aug 5, 2014 8:05:54 GMT -5
The biggest problem with the case shown isn't the bulge so much as the crease above it. That is were the case would come apart. That case looks to me like an extreme anyway. I have several older glocks that don't bulge the brass that bad.
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Post by gws on Aug 5, 2014 16:35:29 GMT -5
The biggest problem with the case shown isn't the bulge so much as the crease above it. That is were the case would come apart. That case looks to me like an extreme anyway. I have several older glocks that don't bulge the brass that bad. Very true, and those found in his stash like that most certainly wasn't once-fired! Reloaded glocked brass refired in the same kind of Glock sometimes produces such anomalies. In fact IMO those who experienced kabooms with Glocks and reloads just happened to be unlucky enough to have the case rotated, when they pulled the trigger, with the weakened side down pointing at the feed ramp. Ditto for lucker shooters whose brass survived it and instead produced creases like the picture shows. Often the unlucky ones were using early Federal brass....Federal beefed up their design over it. More thoughts?
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Post by krwada on Aug 5, 2014 16:51:59 GMT -5
I need a bulge buster for my gut!
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jbnut
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Post by jbnut on Aug 5, 2014 18:27:24 GMT -5
I need a bulge buster for my gut! smiley-laughing021If you find one could you get a 2nd one for me?
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Post by springfieldxdm on Aug 5, 2014 19:53:13 GMT -5
I reload a lot of .40, and bulge bust every one before running through my progressive press. I had way too many issues with failure to feed/chamber/fire before with random range brass, knocking on wood I'm up to about 9,256 according to the counter with no issues. I also will not reload brass with severe defects or creases, but here local all the police departments use gen 1, and 2 glocks and all brass is "glocked" up. My oldest son who is 5, actually does the "busting" for me as he loves to help in the war room. It teaches him basics of concentrating and not mashing the fingers (yes I wash all cases in an ultrasonic and he wears gloves to prevent any unnessary exposure for him). After the initial cleaning, and busting I run them through the progressive press and we go play. A extra tidbit I've found is use some imperial case lube on your fingers or gloves and it makes the cases slide through the bulge buster kit like butter. My two or three cents, Shelby
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Post by isparky44 on Aug 8, 2014 23:14:11 GMT -5
I need a bulge buster for my gut! Does this .40 make my butt look fat? ?
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Post by erjdriver on Aug 9, 2014 8:45:37 GMT -5
As ALWAYS...I learn from you guys; thanks for bringing awareness to this bulging issue. I just bought a case of 4,000 pieces of .40 S&W and I'll certainly be on the lookout for this as I process that brass. Since I wet tumble and de-prime my brass before doing so, that will be the time to look out for cases that have a bulge and just toss them in the recycle bucket. Won't even have to bother with it when it comes time to send them through the Pro2k. And no joke about the gut and butt references. I'll add another level of crudity in this.....I'm just gonna tape a bulged case on my crotch and tell my girlfriend, "HEY! Come look at my bulge!!".
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Post by lexusmgr on Nov 21, 2014 11:53:54 GMT -5
Curious if anyone uses an "undersize" die for your 40 reloads? I bought one several years ago and have not had any issues resizing and depriming with it.
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