7mmmountaineer
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on Aug 7, 2014 8:39:36 GMT -5
Ok so we all know that sometimes people do stupid and sometimes dangerous stuff. Like my old neighbor Stan loading a 30 caliber bullet for his son's 7 WSM (lost the pics dam it). Or the one were a family member of mine had 30-06 rounds loaded that were over length and some had cracked necks (I swapped those out for him). Or the fella I know here that runs 48.0gr of Varget under 168gr Sie MK's and wants me to try his load. Lets all take a minute to share some of the stupid and dangerous stuff we see in this great hobby. We as a group all preach read, measure, check, re-check and triple check. We as a group have always here and our old home tried to guide and help those of lessor skill and with questions without judgment as it should be. We have almost all learned from others here and our old home things we could do better/safer. This should be mandatory reading for those new to reloading.
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gws
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Post by gws on Aug 7, 2014 10:32:00 GMT -5
All right I'll share one. I have a nephew who one had a beautiful scoped Remington 700bdl in 7mm Mag, who let his kid bore sight it with a laser in the bore. Yup he forgot to take it out, loaded a round, looked through his Leupold scope (can't see the tool in the bore) and shot. It peeled that barrel like a banana. Others have done the same thing. His boy didn't get hurt, but others haven't been so lucky. A certain TV show tested the idea that such could happen and failed to duplicate it, so they called it BS. I wonder if they tried it in a magnum, or in the winter in colorado, because I sure as hell saw the results. (He brought the gun to me to see if I knew a good smith that could fix it. So I took it to one I know. The first thing he did is go find his camera!  Then said that he might be willing to turn it into a reg. 7mm, but that no, he wouldn't trust the receiver to ever shoot 7mm mag again, safely. I need to have James send me a picture!...don't know why I didn't take one myself. (he keeps it as a reminder trophy) So far (knock on wood) I haven't done anything terribly dumb. Probably has to do with my respect for the pressures involved next to my face, firing a gun in perfect condition, even with perfect ammo......I'm pretty skeered of anything that is off that norm. |
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7mmmountaineer
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on Aug 7, 2014 11:28:47 GMT -5
Greg I have made a mistake and it was my own fault while loading. I was working a load for a 7-08 pretty sure with 150 gr bullets and read the wrong line in my notes. I loaded 44.5 gr of IMR 4895 under the bullet for that powder max charge is 41.0gr of IMR 4895. The problem was I was reading off my notes for IMR 4350 again pretty sure which would have been a mid weight charge of powder. Locked the bolt up tighter than a tad poles but. I learned a couple lesson from that I now keep a separate book for each powder and bullet in each caliber I load for.
I also had my step son give out some load data to a friend of his out of one of my books. The load was safe 46.0gr H414 with a 140gr Nosler bullet and my rifles OAL and seating depth. The point I had to make to him was the charge was safe according to the bullet maker but I had tested the load in my rifle so I knew it was safe in my rifle. The seating depth was also safe in my rifle but one never knows with the charge and seating depth being safe in a different rifle. Again I learned and now all my stuff is kept locked in a PW protected computer and I have a little code worked out for what is written down on paper as notes. |
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Post by krwada on Aug 7, 2014 11:50:52 GMT -5
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gws
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Post by gws on Aug 7, 2014 12:00:10 GMT -5
The bigger the gun, the bigger the boom......more ways than one! |
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bob
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Post by bob on Aug 7, 2014 12:38:14 GMT -5
oops
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bob
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Post by bob on Aug 7, 2014 12:41:38 GMT -5
Over the years I have heard or read about mistakes like those. I am chicken so I tend to keep load notes in two places, in my log book with chronograph records and target sections( they document group size),the other place is in the die box. I then compare each with a or some manuals to confirm. Then out comes the primer, powder of choice,and bullet then back to my notes which I look at throughout the loading process. As I say I am chicken and have no confidence in myself, but no mistakes have left my bench either. And yes I do load! Also I re-read the manuals especially the new ones to try to pick up or learn about a nuance. You are right you can't cure stupid but you can recognize it and try to stay away from it. And then there is the Know it alls Like I wrote in the Range section.
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et1
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Post by et1 on Aug 11, 2014 8:13:55 GMT -5
Like Bob I have had the good fortune of not having any mistakes leave the bench. I have caught mistakes while in the process and then try to put an additional safe guard in place to prevent that mistake from happening again. One example While charging cases one time I noticed the powder level was higher in cases when I was nearing the end of that operation. I then rechecked the powder weights and found that the lower charged cases showed lighter than what I was set up for. Further investigation I found my weight tab for the grain scale on the balance beam had shifted which probably occurred when I repositioned my weight scale for more comfort in a small work area. Today I really keep a close eye on my balance beam settings and have a digital scale nearby to periodically confirm my powder charge weights. Also I still do a visual of the powder height in cases before bullet insertion. This occurrence taught me a valuable lesson without the possibility of a heavy cost to pay. Also if for any reason I have to leave the bench, even going to the bathroom, I will double check everything before continuing to reload. You can’t cure stupid but you can prevent from becoming a member of that club. Ed |
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hal8337
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Post by hal8337 on Aug 11, 2014 15:23:58 GMT -5
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Post by hal8337 on Aug 11, 2014 15:30:22 GMT -5
I hit the wrong button on the last post prematurely w/o typing the explanation of the 2 pictures. Someone sent them to me with no explanation other than the obvious that someone had put the cart before the horse and had gotten in a hurry. Thanks to all you guys I hope all the new loaders (which I include myself) can avoid this issue.
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dangun
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Post by dangun on Aug 11, 2014 20:10:28 GMT -5
I have argued for years that the absolute best way to bore sight is to remove the bolt and look thru the bore using you eyes. Of course that only works on guns that you can look down the bore.
No matter how much experience or how careful you are chances of this kind of thing happening are to great to risk it on some fancy contraption. People sighted in guns long before all these bullshit toys ever came on the market.
When will people learn?
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gws
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Post by gws on Aug 11, 2014 22:21:50 GMT -5
Ditto to what Dangun said. Hal, those pictures you were sent have been passed around the web for several years, and was the source of a "MythBusters" episode, where they supposedly "Busted" the idea a laser bore sighter could peel a barrel. A year later my nephew's son did the very same thing with his Remington 700BDL in 7mm Magnum (my first post). So "MythBusters" ain't so perfect afterall....busted!  Be careful! |
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bob
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Post by bob on Aug 11, 2014 22:26:32 GMT -5
Dan: I agree about bore sighting being the absolute safest way to start the sight in process. That said, I use the Bushnel sighting device and have for a very long time but being the chicken I am I never take it to a place that I can shoot. I only use at my work bench and always with the bolt removed. I have been asked seveal times to bring it to the range or the ranch, my response has been bring the rifle to my house to use the instrument or bore sight it at the range, there is just too much going on at the range to use it safely.
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Then said that he might be willing to turn it into a reg. 7mm, but that no, he wouldn't trust the receiver to ever shoot 7mm mag again, safely. I need to have James send me a picture!...don't know why I didn't take one myself. (he keeps it as a reminder trophy)
Be careful!
My daughter came from Missouri, my son and grand son, my wife and I had a nice dinner of grilled "porter house" pork chops, corn on the cobb, my son, G'son and I share 10/5. G'son is 4 minutes early though @ 10/4.
Pooh I hope you find to right house . 
