jbnut
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Post by jbnut on Sept 30, 2014 18:08:52 GMT -5
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bob
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Post by bob on Sept 30, 2014 18:56:54 GMT -5
JB, I agree with you to bad they are not here in California, they would also be charged with wanten (unsure of spelling) waste as well as poaching and a whole bunch of other charges. They probably would loose their truck, rifles and hunting priviliges for life. These are very selfish men.
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poohzilla
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Post by poohzilla on Sept 30, 2014 19:25:25 GMT -5
JB, hate the waste, and it gives all of us who hunt legally/ethically an undeserved black eye, as the great public, spoon fed by the media won't differentiate between us and them. If anything good came out of it, you gave me a topic for my Ethics class on Thursday !
So, here's a toss-up for you and Hacker: What's with elk in PA ? We actually had some in New Hampshire that disappeared into the mists in the early 20th Century. Were yours imports/escapees from game preserves ?
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7mmmountaineer
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on Sept 30, 2014 19:28:23 GMT -5
JB I haven't really kept up with the game laws in Pa but when we hunter Carbon county back in the 90's as out of staters we were informed that in the event we were ever caught poaching besides the fine involved we would loose our rifles, trucks, camping gear and in accordance with an agreement with NJ our hunting licenses for 10 years. They my not get off with just a fine.
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7mmmountaineer
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on Sept 30, 2014 19:32:19 GMT -5
Pooh Pa brought elk back into the state in the 80's I believe. Just like in Kentucky you have to draw a permit to hunt them. The WV Sportsman's Association is pushing for them to be brought into some of our southern counties ie the coal belt and some of the eastern counties the mountain counties. Farmers and landowners are fighting this tooth and nail.
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Post by hacker54 on Sept 30, 2014 22:55:14 GMT -5
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7mmmountaineer
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on Oct 1, 2014 6:02:18 GMT -5
Wow Gary I hunted and lived in Pa for years and never knew all this good post and a very interesting read.
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poohzilla
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Post by poohzilla on Oct 1, 2014 11:51:27 GMT -5
Thanks guys-I checked myself on New Hamster, and it was actually caribou that disappeared over the nothern border ~1905. There were elk that got transplanted in to the southwestern part of the state, and they became enough of a nuisance that F&G set up a special hunt in late 1941 that resulted in a bunch of them being killed off. They've dried up, although you hear of people claiming to have sighted one or the other on occasion. Good luck on getting them reestablished down your way. Some of those programs work really well. In the '70's we brought in turkeys from WV (traded for fishers) and they took hold like gangbusters.
Speaking of occasional sightings, cougars (real ones, not the ones wearing spandex !) are rumored to be showing up again. Fish and Game is extremely vehement in its denials, so every time they do it, more people belive. Anyway, thanks for the interesting responses.
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jbnut
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Post by jbnut on Oct 1, 2014 19:34:46 GMT -5
I see this post really took off in the last 24hrs. Thanks Hacker for providing the great info about the history of our herd.
I've made the trip to the Winslow Hill area near Benezette a couple of times. The one time we were there in the late winter early spring, still snow on the ground, we had the privilege to see a small herd that had a couple of nice bulls along with some smaller ones and cows. Also on that trip on the way home we took a back road and came to a place that had been logged very close to the road and were able to see 2 Big bulls browsing on the tree tops.
When your only used to seeing Whitetails & Black bears seeing a herd of elk is very special.
Pooh I hope this topic works out well for your class.
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poohzilla
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Post by poohzilla on Oct 4, 2014 13:33:19 GMT -5
Hi JB-thanks for asking. Yep, we were batting around reward and punishment. I used the poached elk (sounds like an odd recipe...) and the penalties, and contrasted that with the case of a loon that was shot here in NH (with the possibility of a $ 250K fine, due to Federal protections). Great fodder for the mill, and, while I was at it, I worked in some propaganda about ethical hunting.  My chance to warp young minds !!! |
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My chance to warp young minds !!!
My daughter came from Missouri, my son and grand son, my wife and I had a nice dinner of grilled "porter house" pork chops, corn on the cobb, my son, G'son and I share 10/5. G'son is 4 minutes early though @ 10/4.
Pooh I hope you find to right house . 
