Last Dutch hunting season ever?

Holy shit Pete that sucks bad sorry that it is happening.

PJ,
I truly feel sorry for you and your countrymen. I stated before it will be soon that they will come and take your firearms. All that money invested in those firearms will be gone because they will not compensate you for that money lost. Countries that follow this will be in danger from their enemies as they prefer an easy target to conquer. I see major crime rising in your country as a result of this.

GWS, It’s not possible to send a gun for repairs by your self to a (US) manufacturer. You always need a dealer/importer plus your local gun store. It goes as follows.

A. You bring your gun to your local gun dealer
B. The gun dealer will hand you over a special form that states that you no longer have the gun in your possession and it mentions why (in this case: for repair). You need to hang on to this form as long as the gun is back in your hands. This form proves to the police where your gun is during the (unannounced) house calls. If you can’t prove where your gun is you are in a world trouble (that is an understatement to say the least).
C. The gun store sends/brings the gun to the dealer/importer who also receives a similar form. It’s called “the chain of prove and responsibility”.
D. The dealer/importer will apply for a “consent of export form”, this form will be provided by the CRI (it’s much like a Dutch BATF). The dealer/importer collects many guns to prepare for 1 shipment with the use of 1 form. This safes lots of costs but will add about 1 month to the repair time.
E. When the gun is fixed the importer has to start all over again but this times applies for a “consent of import” and the waiting starts again. Many Dutch importers collect several shipments to bring down the paperwork. (can’t blame them)
F. The gun store is notified that they can pick up the gun or can make arrangements for shipment. Plus hands over his form back to the dealer/importer.
G. I will be contacted by the gun store that my gun is ready and need to hand over my form to him. And pay the store for the repairs, shipment, the forms (those are not free of charge), plus the additional fees for the dealer/importer/gun store. This can be about 80% of the final repair cost and can adds up about 4 months to the repair time.

In the past one could handle the shipment (consent of export and import) directly to the USA your self and but this is no longer possible. If there is no dealer/importer of your gun than you can apply for this form but the chance is that this will be refused. Or worse, they grand you the form for export but not for import. Since you can only apply for the import form after official notification from the manufacture that the gun is repaired, you might up with legal battle with the CRI what always ends up with confiscation of the gun or you have to leave it in the USA..... bye gun, bye money, Hi trouble. This is why a good Dutch, German or Belgian gunsmith is worth this weight in gold.

Note Dutch international competition shooters have to go to similar hassle each time they cross the border. Dutch hunters can expect the same, but they also have to have a “pre” import form in advance to bring back their trophies, depending what kind of game you want to hunt. Otherwise leave your trophy and make some extra pictures of your trip.

I can hunt in Europe with a Dutch hunting license (need a local invitation from an outfitter or trip organizer, or in my case a family member that lives in that country who also has a hunting license). Most if not every outfitter will refuse you a hunting permit (or tag) if you don’t have a valid (Dutch) license. This has to do with legal matters and insurance. So no permit no hunting, or it’s illegal. Or you go to a former Eastern European Communist country where money is more important than doing it legal way.......... It’s not my kind of hunting.

The same goes for hunting in the USA as a Dutch hunter, I have hunted in Colorado, Utah, Wyoming and Alberta (Can.) and all the outfitters asked (demanded) a way to prove in advance that I could (know how to) hunt. If I was an outfitter I also want to know who is coming to my place. You can also make use of a specialized hunting trip organizer who does the same but it’s much easier (and quit a bit more expensive). Those organizers are mainly German, Polish or English companies. I have hunted one time with my own rifle and made the arrangements my self with the Dutch authorities, but that was a terrible experience when I came back (my rifle stayed at the Dutch Customs for about 6 weeks before it was cleared). The other times I used a rifle provided by the outfitter, what was just as good for me and caused way less headaches. Going on a hunting trip to the US was a bit easier than Canada, Canada apparently likes extra paperwork.

For traveling with a gun inside (western) Europe one can apply for an “international shooting passport” . This is a huge plus and highly recommended, it saves lots of paperwork, money and less change of confiscation. By the way you have to prove that you “need” to go outside the Netherlands with your gun(s) to apply for this passport. It’s not for fun granted to you. This passport is valid for maximal 1 year.

Due to these same restrictions I can no longer import gun parts and reloading components like gun powder, primers, bullets and cases. But it’s not only the Dutch government that is a pain the ass, the US government requires that I apply for a “export license”. This license is provided by the treasury department in DC. The fee for this license is about $80,– for each and single transport to the Netherlands and must be accompanied by legal Dutch documents, licenses and regulations. Perhaps this will explain why reloading components are about twice or triple the price over here and only 2 times a year available in large quantities.

As one can understand, due to all this hassle and huge rise in cost many people quit shooting and hunting. Making it hard to hold on to owning guns is the most easiest way for a government to reduce gun ownership instead of banning it. Since it is step by step action you hardly can fight against it (at least at this side of the big pond).

PJ.

I would be trying to get my guns out of the country.........then my family, while it's possible. I agree...it sounds a lot like totalitarianism or fascism is returning. First guns.....then freedom. That's allowed to happen when people get used to the government doing everything for them. Before you know it they're forcing you in every facet of living and working. Playing? That goes away.

We still enjoy some freedom here, but it's slowly going away too, thanks to the swelling number of voters who are impressed with the lying silver tongued devils who promise that the government can take care of them all with no effort on their part. Freedom has to be worked for and fought for.....and constant vigilance is crucial.

Springfieldxdm, Ohhhh yeah now we are talking! This is a prime example how my government actually works (shows it’s extreme weakness).

The government wants to reduce “illegal” gun ownership, but fails tremendously in that, especially in regard of gangs and organized crime. If they succeed in confiscating one or two guns on a monthly bases they have a major score. Note most of these guns are either dumped or are found on a dead (shot) criminal.

So what do you do you as a government, you pick on legal gun owners. And tell the general public that you have “confiscated” over 200 guns last month. Those guns are actually guns that are “given up” by former legal gun owners. And tell the public that the streets are a bit safer since these guns are of the street, but fail to tell the truth.

Those motorcycle gangs and other organized criminals (read like: Italian, Russian, Chinese, Colombian and Yugoslavian mafia) have tons of illegal guns. The Dutch authorities in fact are beyond scared for them, fail to prosecute them, fail to convict them and so on. The rise of new motorcycle gangs (read new chapters and new members) is huge..... you can figure out how that happened. Those gangs/mafia are so well organized and smart plus they have the best legal counseling available. A nice example is that the Italian and Russian mafia have set up their HQ’s in the Netherlands and their big crime bosses do live here freely. About a year a go the Italian police did arrest (with help of the InterPol) one of the highest mafia leaders right here in the Netherlands. The Dutch police knew all about it but did not want to arrest the man..... the Italians did that them self in a our country. What does that tell you!!!!!

Than we have ISIS, many of the European ISIS members are (or start as) small time criminals who have nothing to lose and are bored to hell. Those “boys” have not the access to guns, but since we all know who has them, you know what to do. You contact/join those gangs and mafia as well and hey presto! Than go to those countries where the fighting is going on and receive more guns and explosives. Make some nice pictures and videos and you are the man back home. The only thing the Dutch government does is declare their passports as revoked so that those ISIS guys who are fighting can not return to the country. Yeah right! That is one of the dumbest idea’s of the Dutch government ever told. Meanwhile our country is flooding with those ISIS soldiers, it’s an epidemic.

The Dutch government has a huge problem since they fail so tremendously in catching, prosecuting and convicting, the government give it a “nice” twist to it. They tell the public we are a free country, tell this freedom of speech, we can not prove that those pictures are made in the Netherlands, we don’t know who they are, we have no evidence, what they are doing is legal in the Netherlands, what they are doing outside the country is no longer a problem for the Dutch government.... and I can go on. It’s all a huge lie told by the government since our laws provide in convicting them with ease. But they crap their pants since they know that they messed up in executing the law for decades. Add to that our law enforcement had a 40% reduction of man power the last 8 years, our armed forces is reduced to less than 35% what it ever was. All those reductions are now biting us in the ass big time.

The fact that Dutch ISIS members are helped by gangs/criminals is just a natural thing to happen. Caused by a weak government that has blind eye for the real problems and do not want (and are not able) to solve the problem either...... they created a monster!

PJ.

Or you could say screw it and move to the States. You have to promise for every gun toting bible believing person you bring here, you have to send democrat back in your place. :-). It might solve both our problems.

Our liberal politicians (and Dutch ones too) need to only watch Mexico. They are about full circle, and finally having to arm the people (local militas)to fight the cartels, and they seem to be more effective than the army.

So there is hope. PJ, you always buy PVC pipe and Caps and a post hole digger...then build a fence (with deep footers) Then when it comes full circle as in Mexico, they will supply you with additional assault weapons to help them.

If they wonder what happened to your gun collection, just tell them that a motorcycle gang found out about your collection and relieved you of it.  (yup, I admit....I can over-simplify from here)