7mmmountaineer
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on Oct 18, 2014 18:42:00 GMT -5
Ok so I finally broke down this afternoon and went bow hunting. In my mind it was a prefect day for it temps hovered in the 40's all afternoon and it was a damp sometimes rainy day. I saw a ton of game 2 different flocks of turkeys totaling 30 birds, couldn't tell you how many squirrels because it could have been the same 2 all afternoon, a hand full of rabbits, a couple grouse and 6 deer. The thing is I had the chance to kill a really big bear and just couldn't make myself shoot him. I had him dead to rights twice broad side at less than 30yds and just couldn't make my self shoot. I have killed a couple bears earlier in life and have no desire to kill another one. I have never had a desire to kill a turkey and have had many chances to do so. So I need to ask have any of you ever had this happen? I mean really I watched that bear for well over an hour (94 mins) and just couldn't make myself draw and shoot.
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loafer
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Post by loafer on Oct 18, 2014 19:20:28 GMT -5
7mm been there myself just this bow season.Had a 175 lb Black Bear 33 yards I drawed my bow back put the pin on it I just didn't let go we sat there looking at each other must have been at least 5 mins.the bear walked off.I was saying to myself man if he was bigger I would have taken his life.I told my hunting buddies about the stand off.I think I personally did the right thing.I have passed on bucks just didn't meet my standards,I guess what I am trying to say I just don't go out to kill everything I kill what I eat & that's it.Its cool just to watch wildlife I have seen some pretty amazing things happen
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loafer
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Post by loafer on Oct 18, 2014 19:52:19 GMT -5
I tried to make a edit would not let me I going to say it cool just to watch wildlife at times I have seen some pretty amazing things go on
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7mmmountaineer
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on Oct 18, 2014 20:58:02 GMT -5
Loafer that's just it I didn't even reach for my bow. I never even really thought about shooting this bear. I have watched this bear several time over the last couple of years. I know its the same bear because his entire muzzle is almost a fawn color. You know they are big when their ears look like M&M's on their heads and their bellies almost drag the ground. If I had to guess I would figure he is pushing 450lbs and he has marked trees that even with me being a solid 6' 1" I have to tippy toe to reach the top of his claw marks. I just couldn't shoot him call it a history but I had no desire to shoot him.
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Post by bob on Oct 18, 2014 22:33:17 GMT -5
Chuck, As I think I told Loafer, I had one of the best deer seasons in years. I passed on 5 bucks got my duck hunting partner's son a buck and 3 other younger hunters bucks. Closing Sunday I had a nice 3 pointer at 164 yds.(laser ranged) didn't shoot. I did however have a lot of fun. I too passed on a Black Bear it seemed like a big one but I really don't know how to judge them. Chuck I'd like to see you on "tippy toes"
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Post by gws on Oct 18, 2014 23:22:18 GMT -5
This story happened two years ago. We have some property up in Cumbres Pass in Southern Colorado. My wife and I were taking a walk maybe a 1000 yards below and south of our cabin, and met a bow hunter (first day of Bear Season), who asked if we had seen any sign. We truthfully said no, exchanged a few pleasantries, then he went on his way. 5 minutes later here comes a good sized bear ambling down the logging road in front of us. Turning to the left we could still see the hunter working his way up a wooded grade. The bear was maybe 100 feet from us and never saw us. The hunter never looked back. We smiled at each other ... then silently watched both disappear at the same time in opposite directions. Yeah, true story! I do have a compound & like to shoot it a lot, but I've never bow hunted......just no opportunity presented itself when I was younger...too many other hobbies. I do like having wild life around.....doubt I could've shot that bear if I did have a licence and bow to kill it.....so I can relate.............. now wolves are another matter.......we are hearing them for the first time ever the last 2 summers. They've obviously moved south from Yellowstone. Scary things they are! And no! we were not hearing coyotes. I've gone to sleep listening to them all my life. A wolf pack howling in the distance is totally different..... a chilling thing to listen to at night protected only by a tent & a sleeping bag.
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Post by poohzilla on Oct 19, 2014 12:26:46 GMT -5
Nothing to worry about. If you hear of me shooting a bear, it either had me cornered or was otherwise making an acute and immediate nuisance of itself. I don't even buy a tag. Bear meat just doesn't do it for me, and I'm happy to have others do their thing. I get out and watch the critters, and take one home on occasion. One of the best things was last year, just getting out (I had a pretty serious heart attack two years before) and I was working one end of a big field. Over on the other end, a hawk was working the thermals and basically doing what I was. It was almost like he was my hunting partner. (I doubt if he was quite as pleased to see me...) In any event, for me, if something tasty (venison, partridge--yum !) appears, great. If not, I've had some time to focus on something other than the day to day crap.
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Post by SnapShot on Oct 19, 2014 13:03:52 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing these comments and stories. I thought I was the only one that "couldn't shoot". I hunted from the age of eight and had some great adventures. I hunted California, Wyoming, Nebraska, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, West Texas and Michigan. I varmint hunted and bird hunted, I hunted big game and small and had good success over the years but something changed a few years back. I've tried to figure it out . . . old age ? ? ? not sure but I have changed to hunting with my camera. I'm approaching 70 now and I still get the thrill of the hunt and still feel that adrenaline rush when I see game in the sights (lens). There are no permits, seasons or limits and I can shoot the same critter dozens of times. I don't have to field dress them or pack them out. I actually hunt more now then in my hunting days. Don't get me wrong. I still know the value and need of hunting and its roll in game management; I know it's value and need in varmint control. Like some of you; I still coach younger guys in how to hunt and track and how to handle their game when they take them but I just don't want to shoot any more game myself. I still love to shoot and to reload but all my shooting is at the range these days. I haven't told many people this . . . maybe it's age maybe not.
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Post by krwada on Oct 19, 2014 17:24:11 GMT -5
Taking a pass on game ... any game is fine in my book. Sometimes it just happens...Maybe it is a sign of maturity ... or getting older and wiser? This is definitely different than having buck fever though.
Vermin and varmints however?!?! ... shoot em' up!
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Post by dangun on Oct 20, 2014 12:33:48 GMT -5
In my life I have killed my fair share of Deer, Elk, Moose, Bear, Hogs, Turkey, Duck, Squirrel, Rabbit and well just about every thing there is to hunt in North America. I have use rifles, handguns and bows to harvest these animals. The only thing I have every regretted killing was a bear. I made a good clean fatal shot but it stayed on it's feet running a screaming, yes I said screaming for what seemed like an eternity. The screams sounded to me like those of a woman. When it finally dropped I was a changed man. It may sound funny to some but I hope I never hear that again. I have killed plenty of Doves, Quail, Ducks Gators and Hogs since then but I know I couldn't draw or pull the trigger on another bear aside from killing one for my survival. I don't hold it against anyone that hunts and I would again if i needed to in order to eat but for now killing paper suits me just fine.
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bob
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Post by bob on Oct 20, 2014 12:48:18 GMT -5
Dan, I had a similar experience with cotton tail rabbits years ago and also have not been able to shoot them since. This is probably why I won't shoot a running deer or for that matter any deer or animal if I can't have the shot I want, almost bench rest conditions.
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7mmmountaineer
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on Oct 20, 2014 14:25:32 GMT -5
Dan I have never had the screaming bear but have heard other stories of them. I think the thing that's has them off limits for me is I saw a bear laying on a skinning table hide less. It was a very long limbed bear and yeah made me think of a person for some odd reason since then no desire to kill another one.
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Post by poohzilla on Oct 20, 2014 19:11:24 GMT -5
I've been impressed (not surprised) with the posts on this thread. I think it's maturity on a couple of levels. On the first, there is the realization that no matter how perfectly you do things, stuff can go wrong, like it did for Dan. (When doing the field course in Hunter Ed, I usually slip in some remark that it's not always a "bang bang-you're dead" thing when you pull the trigger-that gets some interesting looks.) Next, I think there's a realiztion that the kill itself is such a small (although in some ways important) part of the hunt. I also think that there's a common strain of independence in this bunch-we seem to insist on our right to make our own choices. Sometimes that choice is not to shoot, depending our judgement at the time. A realization comes to you after a while that there's always another time you can shoot. Once you pop the cap, you can't call it back. I think a more fitting caption for the thread would have been "Chose not to Shoot", because I think that's what 7mm did, and from the sounds of it, most of us have in one way or another.
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Post by loafer on Oct 20, 2014 21:09:06 GMT -5
I am 100% positive that it takes maturity & a man to know when to choose not to shoot or you just could not do it.No matter when it's all over you can look at your self in the mirror feel like you personally have done the right thing at that moment in time
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Post by gws on Oct 21, 2014 1:18:56 GMT -5
I don't hold it against anyone that hunts and I would again if i needed to in order to eat but for now killing paper suits me just fine. There you go Dan, you summed it up nicely for me. Thanks! Yes pooh, the whole attitude starts changing when the years mount up. I actually hope this bubble will last forever, where others do the dirty work, and I can go to the supermarket and buy some filets or prime rib! But I'm wise enough to know, that I'd better keep the skills up I learned in my youth, even though I no longer look forward to the kill as a youngster does.
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on Oct 22, 2014 19:45:10 GMT -5
Saw him again this morning eating the hell out of my chicory food plot. I actually had a camera this time but he stayed farther away and closer to cover. One of the men that's hunts the adjoining property asked me if I had seen a " BIG ASS FREAKING BEAR ". I didn't deny seeing him but didn't provide details either. All the guys from the other side of the fence are big bear runners so I better enjoy him while I can. Maybe just maybe their dogs will cross the property line again and poof fall into another abandon mine shaft ..........
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Post by krwada on Oct 22, 2014 21:39:23 GMT -5
Saw him again this morning eating the hell out of my chicory food plot. I actually had a camera this time but he stayed farther away and closer to cover. One of the men that's hunts the adjoining property asked me if I had seen a " BIG ASS FUCKING BEAR ". I didn't deny seeing him but didn't provide details either. All the guys from the other side of the fence are big bear runners so I better enjoy him while I can. Maybe just maybe their dogs will cross the property line again and poof fall into another abandon mine shaft .......... Wait till the end of November. This critter may be very old. If he does not retire by the end of November ... well ... you will only have a couple of options. One of them will be taking the bear. In any event .... it is either a juvenile ... (which I do not think is the case) ... or it is an older bear.
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Post by mule on Oct 30, 2014 19:38:07 GMT -5
I also teach Hunter-Ed.
I tell the young ones that just because you are in the field, doesn't mean you have to kill something. I also tell them that killing something doesn't make you a man.
Hunting, for me is almost spiritual. It is all about the total experience. Taking game is a minor part of that experience. Besides, once the game is down and tagged, the work begins.
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on May 16, 2015 7:53:12 GMT -5
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Post by bob on May 16, 2015 10:23:01 GMT -5
Glad to hear you have your "hunting" companion back this year, enjoy the company! I won't shoot one but saw a recent study done in the area I deer hunt which indicated 61% of fawn mortality is caused by bears. In addition the bears will take a lion's kill forcing the lion to kill another deer. The deer population in our area is declining by a small percentage each year with bears being the biggest contributor to the decline.
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on May 18, 2015 13:31:45 GMT -5
Bob by a wide margin out biggest deer predator deer adult or fawn is coyotes. Their are several place here they travel in loose packs/groups which most experts say they don't do for extended periods of time.
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Post by bob on May 18, 2015 14:22:16 GMT -5
Chuck, I have read that coyotes in the East have at some point mixed with wolfs and are more likely to run in packs than our western coyote. Your own encounter supports that information. Occasionally I also have seen groups of them working geese or turkeys and a pair trying to get a fawn.
I always thought the same as you because here where I live there is no bear population so it is coyotes and lions. On the ranch in northern California there are an abundance of bears and that is in the heart of D.F.&W's study area.
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on May 18, 2015 18:36:14 GMT -5
Bob the yotes here can get into the 50-75lb range for a really big male and a really big female can be in the 40-60lb range. I have seen them work in packs quite a few times. The pack that ran me off the mountain at work stay together it varies at time from 10-18 dogs and they have caused havoc on the turkeys and deer here at work.
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