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Post by krwada on Nov 6, 2014 17:08:51 GMT -5
Here is an excellent review on gun lubes. The author not only tests all "made for firearms" CLP products. He also tests a lot of the "homebrew" stuff that people use. The results are nevertheless ... very interesting! |
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Post by ed alger on Nov 6, 2014 18:27:45 GMT -5
KR, thank you very much for posting this review/test. I've just begun the use of FrogLube and this post was perfect!
Thanks.
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Post by loafer on Nov 6, 2014 21:53:14 GMT -5
8-)Nice review, this is very useful in the decision process, sure the hell helps the process of elimination
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Post by hacker54 on Nov 7, 2014 1:12:52 GMT -5
Ken,
Thanks for sharing. I found it quite informative.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 2:42:06 GMT -5
This is a very nice and most certainly a very elaborate test. And to say the least with some very valuable information! My compliments to the guy who did the test. I did also see very much parallels with a German test done by the German gun magazine “VISIER” (meaning “gun sights”). The magazine recently renamed it self to: “All4shooters” and can also be found at: www.all4shooters.com . You can choose the language of your choice. But the German (language) site is quite a bit more complete, not all articles are translated in to English. You can also find them at facebook. I find this magazine one of the best in the business, they cover nearly all shooting sport related topics imaginable. What they did is also test the way you clean/maintain your guns, like bore-snake, regular brushes, cloths/wipes and so on. Combined with several popular calibers tests, to see what the effect was during and after shooting. Some calibers produce very high pressures/temperatures and this has a great effect on how good the lube/CLP holds. This is when Ballistol noticed that Teflon/PTFE based products where best to avoid altogether. This conclusion is picked up by many American brands as well. I did compared this test and that done by all4shooters, the results are very much identical. As was the method of corrosion/protection testing. The thing I like about this test is that he included about 11 more brands than the German test. The German test was only done with brands that are on sale in Europe. At that time Froglube for instance was not yet available, just to name a brand that was not included. This test is now placed in my favorites folder, it’s an excellent source of proper information..... Thanks Ken! PJ. |
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Post by dangun on Nov 7, 2014 10:07:00 GMT -5
Very impressive
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Post by krwada on Nov 7, 2014 11:04:15 GMT -5
Hey Dan; I was thinking about an earlier comment you made when I read this article. The comprehensive nature of the tests is very much inline with what you do when you evaluate a product. |
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Post by dangun on Nov 9, 2014 22:09:17 GMT -5
Ken, I take that as a compliment. I believe this guy did an awesome job. I think I missed my calling. I would love to operate a product testing facility. I hate buying a product only to find that the claims made on how well it works turn out to be the wild imaginations of the manufacturers hopes and dreams.
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Post by krwada on Nov 9, 2014 23:33:22 GMT -5
Ken, I take that as a compliment. I believe this guy did an awesome job. I think I missed my calling. I would love to operate a product testing facility. I hate buying a product only to find that the claims made on how well it works turn out to be the wild imaginations of the manufacturers hopes and dreams. Hello Dan; Yes ... it is a compliment ... to you! Not a compliment to my bank account though... I have purchased a ton of stuff based on your recommendations. I can say this much ... I will continue doing so. I know you are quite thorough with what you do. Ken |
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Post by krwada on Nov 9, 2014 23:44:56 GMT -5
Now ... compliments aside ... there really are two things that concern me with the Frog Lube.
1. So far; my experience with this stuff has been very positive. However; given how you do not need to use too much of this stuff... and that the Frog Lube Corporation is a "one-trick" product pony ... I am very concerned with the longevity of the Frog Lube company staying in business.
2. The other concern is that I talked to the fellow who owns the company; and he told me that in all honesty that the Frog lube did not pass acceptance by our Military. From the conversation ... I believe the failure of acceptance had something to do with the protective nature of the lube at all tested temperatures ... or something along these lines.
However; I have talked to fellows who are quartermasters in the military ... and they tell me that MANY commercial products would NOT pass muster with the military but are superior in many ways to what the grunts get in those 50 gallon drums out on the field.
Hoo ... boy ... that quartermaster really did talk my ear off about lubes, protectants ... and how the military machine does what it does.
The takeaway I got from all of this is we are really blessed to have a very good array of stuff that would never pass muster ... but are truly fine products to use in our firearms!
So ... I suppose ... ONE NEEDS TO USE what works and stay with that!
Or something along these lines.
For example ... since Dan's recommendations ... about Wipeout and Patchout JAGS, brushes and stuff. I ONLY use the Wipeout and Patchout and no brushes.
I also use the Frog Lube too.
For cleaning actions ... however ... I still use Hoppe's #9 ... I suppose old habits do tend to die hard no?
It seems to work for me.
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Post by dangun on Nov 10, 2014 0:08:15 GMT -5
Ken,
Yes there are many products out there that the Military rejected that is superior to what didn't get rejected. Mil spec are written and are for the most part very detailed guidelines. A product may pass every item of the spec with high scores except one item might miss the minimum on one item in the spec thus it will be rejected. Another product might pass all requirement but just at the minimum. Because it passed all requirements it will be accepted even though it is an inferior product. Hoppe's #9 is a good product but I think there are better products out there. But by all means stick with what works for you it could be that I don't use it right!
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Post by krwada on Nov 10, 2014 0:14:57 GMT -5
Ken, Yes there are many products out there that the Military rejected that is superior to what didn't get rejected. Mil spec are written and are for the most part very detailed guidelines. A product may pass every item of the spec with high scores except one item might miss the minimum on one item in the spec thus it will be rejected. Another product might pass all requirement but just at the minimum. Because it passed all requirements it will be accepted even though it is an inferior product. Hoppe's #9 is a good product but I think there are better products out there. But by all means stick with what works for you it could be that I don't use it right! OK Dan... I have used Hoppes because I have used it pretty much all my life. What do you recommend for cleaning your actions? Thanks! Ken |
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Post by dangun on Nov 10, 2014 0:16:04 GMT -5
Brake cleaner!
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Post by krwada on Nov 10, 2014 0:18:28 GMT -5
Brake cleaner?
OK ... I have heard of brake cleaner. Now I will go out to the auto-supply store and get me some.
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Post by dangun on Nov 10, 2014 0:23:42 GMT -5
smiley-laughing021I like spending your money.
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Post by 7mmmountaineer on Nov 11, 2014 8:06:59 GMT -5
Dan brake cleaner is how I was taught to clean an action way back when I was a tad pole. Of course once I started getting older I just knew I had a better way than my dad did  .... Guess what I didn't and went back to brake cleaner a few years ago. Hoppes is my stay behind bore cleaner if I cant get straight on cleaning or when I put my rifle up and I know its going to sit for a few days.
Now to the original post at one time I used a lot of ONE SHOT but it got hard to find. I went to using a LUCAS GUN LUBE to this point I have no complaints. That said I have 2 nice new cans of ONE SHOT waiting in the wings. |
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.... Guess what I didn't and went back to brake cleaner a few years ago. Hoppes is my stay behind bore cleaner if I cant get straight on cleaning or when I put my rifle up and I know its going to sit for a few days. 
