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Post by gws on Jan 22, 2015 20:24:40 GMT -5
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Post by hacker54 on Jan 22, 2015 23:46:19 GMT -5
GWS,
Do you have any other info on this press as I don't see any on the RCBS's web site? I do see for anchoring to a bench they use standard type bolts instead of a toggle bolt as in most of their presses.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 9:14:34 GMT -5
Well that's something I "really" like, in a couple ShotShow news items I have seen it now. I indeed wonder what it might be priced at. Look at all the pre drilled/tapped holes in the frame, what else might be attached to that press?  PJ |
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Post by gws on Jan 23, 2015 11:08:43 GMT -5
Hacker, this info was held secret until the Shot Show as is RCBS's habit. I hope they don't show their other habit of waiting until August to actually put them on the street. Interesting how Hornady has their new products all over their site immediately to go along with their media introduction......RCBS....never. I always said they have the best products and the worst marketing in the business. If you go to the link in my first post there is a lot more info. PJ, same thing the manuf. list price I posted, and added a couple of other prices as I discovered them, from web sites who post new products in their lineup long before they get them. ( I'll paste them below) As for the "holes" that appears obvious to me. they are place above the station where cases are loaded on the case plate. That means CASE FEEDER! It all appears to me that the case feeder didn't get finished my shot show time......they already had a bullet feeder so..... Here is a picture I finally found of the $300 cheaper Pro Chucker 5. Same exact machine excepting the shell plate, the die plate, and smaller quick-change powder measure. Street Price appears to be $615. But here's the interesting option (learned from the Pro 2000). You can buy this version........save up more cash in a year or two and upgrade to the Pro Chucker 7 with a $300 kit. Tell me, is there any parallel to that except the Pro 2000? No! Think you can upgrade a Dillion 550 to a 650 with a kit? Or more pertinent can you upgrade a Dillon 650 to a Dillon 1050 with a $300 kit!  MRSP $778.95 for the Pro Chucker 5 (best street so far $613) $1098.95 for the Pro Chucker 7 (best street so far $950) $383.95 for the Pro Chucker 5 to 7 Conversion Kit $31.95 for Pro Chucker 5 die plates $319.95 for Pro Chucker 7 die plate and QC powder measure Pro Chucker 7 below: Look at the size of the quick-change Uniflow powder hopper on the 7 station machine!  Well folks, it's back to pipe bombs! Just found a picture of the primer feed.......APS is gone.....I knew that was coming, but I don't have to like it. Now we will start seeing pictures of blown up tubes, holes in ceilings and mangled hands, previously unheard of on RCBS progressives. APS was superior in every way....it just wasn't accepted as such fast enough. It's a shame. If Dillon had invented it, all progressives would have APS.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 8:01:12 GMT -5
The new RCBS 2015 catalog is out. I was on the lookout for some more information regarding their new 5 or 7 station presses and came across the new catalog. www.rcbs.com/resources/catalog.aspxThe prices are pretty steep $ 788 and $ 1098 plus for additional shell plates you pay about $ 48 and $ 67. Transporting/shipping them to the Netherlands will set me back about an additional $ 120, that not includes taxes and customs fees. I contacted the European importer this morning and the price in Europe might end up being around $ 1700 for the 7 station press. But it won’t be for sale over here at least after September.  Since I travel a lot these last couple (and upcoming) months to the NY area I’m thinking about buying one there and bring one back home with me. It’s quit a lot of money for (yet again) a new press, I want to see one for my self first. But I like the entire concept that’s for sure. PJ. |
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Post by erjdriver on Jan 26, 2015 11:23:47 GMT -5
Well...looks like Santa Clause looked at my RCBS "Wish List".  |
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Post by gws on Jan 26, 2015 16:32:00 GMT -5
The hard part for your NY trip will be finding one in stock anywhere. Prices at some internet outlets are already being posted though...that's a good sign. Here's one:
Anybody buy from Precision Reloading?
Here's their listed prices: (Nothing in stock yet though)
Pro Chucker 7 .. $759
Pro Chucker 5 ... $537
5 Die Plates ... $25 ea
5 Shell Plates ... $37.50 ea
7 Die Plates (with included giant Uniflow) ...$250 ea!
7 Shell Plates ... 52.50 ea
5-7 Conversion Kit ... $300
Notice the 7 station die plates are only sold with a Uniflow? That's nuts! According to a show goer who spoke to Kent Sakamoto there, they are planning to sell then separately later. What later means may depend on irrant emails from customers. Hell, I already have 3 Uniflows. If they would get their collective heads where they can see, they'd see that customers need Quck Change Kits like Hornady sells in their Web outlets. That'd be a kit with a powder die, a thumb nut and the lower linkage bracket......about $25 worth. Selling their new oversized hoppers a Midway would be great as well!
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Post by gws on Jan 31, 2015 2:33:16 GMT -5
Guess What! I finally found a video from the Shot Show on this most interesting press! It plainly shows why the press indexes so smoothly.....no ball and spring to yank the shell plate around. This is really an advance, but sort of a why didn't they think of that years ago thing!  |
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Post by krwada on Jan 31, 2015 11:19:51 GMT -5
Just when one thinks that no more improvements can be made for hand loading ... RCBS then comes up with some new innovations that prove that more can be done.
The fellow on the video is quite right about the gun culture. To really be a bonafide gun nut ... at least for me ... the reloader community can be where one starts no?
Thanks for sharing the news, opinions and the video GWS
Ken
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Post by bob on Jan 31, 2015 11:42:32 GMT -5
Greg: Thanks for the entire posting and video, that's quite a tool. As Ken alluded whats next? I think I'll just stick with my Rock Chucker and Jr2 !  |
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Post by hacker54 on Jan 31, 2015 13:46:30 GMT -5
Greg,
Thanks for the video. From you looking this setup over do you think one can incorporate the APS system on this press? Looking over the improvements that you have done and shared I am guessing your wheels are turning.
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Post by gws on Feb 1, 2015 0:43:34 GMT -5
I can't say for sure until I have one to turn wheels with! But the thing with APS strips is that what goes in must come out (the strips). These new presses have the primer shuttle aimed along the back casting toward the ram. the previous model (Pro 2000) aimed the primer shuttle front to back parallel to the bench and beside the ram. That meant strips are pushed in the front and come out the back. I don't see a possibility for that to happen the way the new press is laid out. There would have to be a complicated shuttle to the shuttle. That goes against my grain. My mods have always been simple not complex. Complex means "Murphy" will strike at every corner. So no, right now I don't see it. I will HATE HATE HATE to have to go back to pipe bombs in my reloading!  But what can I say, the only thing better than 7 stations is..........8! That would be a Dillon 1050 at $3,000 by the time I bought what I'd need for all my calibers I reload! Not to mention having to spend 10 times as much time changing them. I will probably have to get a Pro Chucker 7 someday.....and you can bet I will turn every corner looking for away to add APS or some other way to make priming safer. This is unacceptable! (happened to a gentleman holding a Dillon 550 primer tube.)  |
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Post by hacker54 on Feb 1, 2015 4:16:55 GMT -5
Yes as you stated earlier. PIPE BOMBS!!!!
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Post by gws on Feb 2, 2015 22:12:48 GMT -5
Just when one thinks that no more improvements can be made for hand loading ... RCBS then comes up with some new innovations that prove that more can be done. The fellow on the video is quite right about the gun culture. To really be a bonafide gun nut ... at least for me ... the reloader community can be where one starts no? Thanks for sharing the news, opinions and the video GWS Ken Ken, more can always be done.....there just has to be an incentive. Dillon has no incentive to invent a safer system for two reasons: 1. bad primer mishaps don't happen every day......but they happen. The fear is just not there for most of their customers. (won't happen to me) For them Dillon is this god who replaces everything that breaks even if the customer causes it. Which is pretty much true in the entire reloading industry unless you are overseas. Seems the only American manufacturer not phased by the distance and expense of that kind of warranty overseas is RCBS. (that's according to some "press" I've read from other side of the pond customers.) 2. Stateside... Dillons fast response time fixing mangled primer systems, minimizes negative feedback. Sales remain robust. Gun nuts starting from reloading? That's an interesting twist.  Murphy's pipe bombs?  I think it is interesting that its is rare reading of a Hornady primer pipe bomb kaboom.....RCBS's incarnation is more similar to Hornady's than Dillons.....kinda makes you wonder why, huh. |
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Post by gws on Feb 2, 2015 22:37:21 GMT -5
Greg: Thanks for the entire posting and video, that's quite a tool. As Ken alluded whats next? I think I'll just stick with my Rock Chucker and Jr2 ! Had to smile when I read that! Bob, you're just not old and tired enough yet! The whole reason I am a dyed in the wool progressive fan, was the experience of spending a longgg evening with my trusty, faithful ole Rock Chucker! 4 hours on Friday nite on that thing making fodder for my grand kids to shoot the next morning, while I was already tired as hell having poured concrete half the day. It wasn't a pleasant evening. That's when I started looking for something faster! I got hooked, once I watched a little internet video. A good and accurate finished round with every pull of the handle. Only problem was....it opened a can of worms. Then I wasn't happy with case preparation.....it became a glaring slow bottleneck for rifle loading! and on and on.....project after project. |
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Post by bob on Feb 2, 2015 23:51:57 GMT -5
Greg: Thanks for the entire posting and video, that's quite a tool. As Ken alluded whats next? I think I'll just stick with my Rock Chucker and Jr2 ! Had to smile when I read that! Bob, you're just not old and tired enough yet! The whole reason I am a dyed in the wool progressive fan, was the experience of spending a longgg evening with my trusty, faithful ole Rock Chucker! 4 hours on Friday nite on that thing making fodder for my grand kids to shoot the next morning, while I was already tired as hell having poured concrete half the day. It wasn't a pleasant evening. That's when I started looking for something faster! I got hooked, once I watched a little internet video. A good and accurate finished round with every pull of the handle. Only problem was....it opened a can of worms. Then I wasn't happy with case preparation.....it became a glaring slow bottleneck for rifle loading! and on and on.....project after project. GWS, Oh yes I am "old enough and tired enough" but with a progressive I wouldn't have as much time to simply relax and rehabilitate my mind after a day dealing with customers' demands and inspectors as well as employees. |
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Post by gws on Feb 3, 2015 11:20:09 GMT -5
Sure you will, Bob. I reload for the exact same reason. You will just load gobs more ammo .....and you can keep your single station presses and use them too. I started one caliber at a time. The learning curve on my Pro 2000 was a couple of sessions is all. Then I started looking for ways to improve bottlenecks I never noticed before. You get a little giddy when you start. I still use my singles for load workup, but once that's figured out it goes to the progressive. You have a better experience if you find good loads using easy to meter powder. Varget, not so good nor is 4064. Those still get used once in a while in the singles, but honestly, people duplicate their performance with better metering powder every day. Sure has made reloading more fun for me. I don't hurry.....don't have to. |
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Post by SnapShot on Feb 3, 2015 15:31:50 GMT -5
I've enjoyed reading through this. I always learn from all of the exchange and opinions on here. If I can chime in from the the old-vs-new angle . . .
I am impressed with all the new technology and modern equipment out there. I really enjoy seeing what's new and learning what's out there.
However, when it comes to actually reloading my own, I still do it on my single stage. It took me a long time to get this old and I am really enjoying the pace of life these days. Don't get me wrong, it would be fun to play with one of those new progressive presses but it's kind of like my old pick-up. I enjoy driving it and it gets me where I'm going. But when one of those fancy sports jobs goes by I think it might be fun to drive but then . . .
Oh well, thanks for all the information you guys post, please keep it up.
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But what can I say, the only thing better than 7 stations is..........8! That would be a Dillon 1050 at $3,000 by the time I bought what I'd need for all my calibers I reload! Not to mention having to spend 10 times as much time changing them.
I think it is interesting that its is rare reading of a Hornady primer pipe bomb kaboom.....RCBS's incarnation is more similar to Hornady's than Dillons.....kinda makes you wonder why, huh.
Pooh I hope you find to right house . 
