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Post by wychild on May 21, 2015 14:44:53 GMT -5
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bob
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Post by bob on May 21, 2015 15:10:45 GMT -5
Wychild, Thanks for the link that sort of justifies my not having one.
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poohzilla
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Post by poohzilla on May 21, 2015 15:15:55 GMT -5
Wy, that is an interesting post. Thanks for sharing. I'd be interested to hear from others who have used these critters. PJ, this is right up your alley !
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Post by krwada on May 21, 2015 22:41:10 GMT -5
Four hours with only a few brass???
The ultrasonic tank will pretty much strip flesh off of bone with that kind of treatment!
One needs to be careful with ultrasonic cleaning. I have an ultrasonic cleaner. I also follow directions... which apparently this poster never did.
You abuse anything, and you will get really poor, and maybe dangerous results!
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Post by poohzilla on May 22, 2015 8:59:49 GMT -5
Interesting point, Ken. I don't have enough experience with the things to put the timeframes in perspective. By contrast, I once goofed and left a load of brass in the tumbler for a week. Other than being really, really shiny, there wasn't a problem !
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Post by hacker54 on May 22, 2015 17:50:53 GMT -5
wychild, Thanks for sharing. Has anyone notice that the brass that was pictured was done in a pro grade ultrasonic cleaner and left in for several hours. To the best of my knowledge all cleaners of this type sold to the reloader for brass prep the max is around 480 seconds (8 minutes). As Ken stated you abuse it you reap the outcome.
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Post by krwada on May 22, 2015 23:36:05 GMT -5
Interesting point, Ken. I don't have enough experience with the things to put the timeframes in perspective. By contrast, I once goofed and left a load of brass in the tumbler for a week. Other than being really, really shiny, there wasn't a problem ! Hello Pooh; When I was in University, we had a bunch of industrial grade ultrasonic cleaners. And, as young folk are wont to do ... we abused the hell out of them. The cleaners that we had had no timers on them and I remember some of the samples coming out like completely pulverized and frangible items. Over time, we learned to hook up those 110v lab timers to these things and follow a lab procedure for using these things. Cleaning with an ultrasonic is very aggressive to say the least. Stuff like this; I would categorize under advanced techniques ... much like annealing brass. Dan went out and did the right thing. He went and purchased a qualified Lyman Corporation product and followed the directions to a tee. PJ, like me, has had a lot of previous experience with these things and knows what to look out for. All I can say is that there is a lot of stuff out on the Internets ...and one must be very careful to say the least.
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Post by springfieldxdm on May 23, 2015 19:59:39 GMT -5
I am a dentist by trade and with the medical grade ultrasonic we replace ours every 2-3 years with newer equipment. Several of the old ones have followed me home for my gun room. After using a few ultrasonics to clean brass, now I only wet tumble and use dry media for cleaning my brass. Even with the industrial ultrasonic tanks the brass is not cleaned to my satisfaction for the amount of work that is required. The timers on our ultrasonics go up to 30 mins, for example at the office we place our instruments in the them for about 10-15 mins depending on the bio burden present. Even when used for the max of 30 mins on brass in the us tank, powder and carbon buildup are still present. While I have never run tests any longer than 30 mins, if used in normal conditions I can see no harmful effects on the brass. As with everything else in reloading you have to pay attention to the instructions. Follow the instructions with your ultrasonic and you will get the mediocre results they promise. Don't follow the instructions and you will likely damage your brass and or hurt yourself. Keep the ultrasonic on your bench, just use it for cleaning gun parts instead of brass
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Post by poohzilla on May 24, 2015 9:47:37 GMT -5
Somehow, my reply got lost. My question, aimed at the folks with experience with the Mega units is, what about the impact on ferrous and other metals in firearms. (I tend to think steel, but I suppose we need to consider aluminum, plastics and whatever else is in them. I'm bright enough to leave wood out of the equation !) Spring, I assume you're fussy about what happens to your instruments, but I'm wondering about goofing up spring tempers and stuff like that. So, if this manages to post this time, I'll kind of sit back and wait.
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Post by springfieldxdm on Jun 2, 2015 19:12:40 GMT -5
I have not noticed and and ill effects on my dental instruments over the thousands of cycles that they are processed in the ultra sonics. In the dental cassettes we have multiple materials all in one case (stainless steel case, aluminum clips, aluminum dappen dishes, plastics bite blocks, rubber and silicon bands, and spring steel tines), of which get cycled 3-4 times a day. For the amount of time a guy would leave gun parts etc in them over the life cycle of the part I could not imagine any issue.
I once had a keltec 380 that got left on a boat for a season or two, when I finally rediscovered it rust had coated the entire gun. I used the have pics of it somewhere, but it was that fluffy flakey rust and even the inside trigger mech was so full of rust it wouldn't dry fire. 3 total cycles of 30 minutes over the course of 3 days with the gun fully submerged in coca cola the rust was cleaned. Everything was severely pitted but the gun functioned well, I then used it to practice some blueing which turned out badly. The gun shot horrible but then again it was a keltec and it shot horrible before the rust and ultrasonic treatment. I left it under my center console of my old farm truck while eating breakfast at Hardee's one morning and some sob stole it, hence the reason I don't have long term result of it on a gun. I guess I got the last laugh because the insurance company paid for the window and the keltec handsomely allowing me to bring home another Springfield.
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Post by poohzilla on Jun 3, 2015 6:46:14 GMT -5
Spring, sounds like a good trade ! Thanks for the insight and results of exposing different materials to ultrasonic thingies.
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