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Post by lexusmgr on Aug 7, 2015 20:52:52 GMT -5
Hello everybody
Well, I finally broke down and ordered some Semi-clad Hollow point bullets for my DE. Although I am casting 158 gr boolits and Powder Coating them, but I decided to save those for the wheel guns. I found that my DE is one of the early, original imports, so, it may even have some "collectible" value. It's in the original box with one extra magazine. No! I'm not selling it! Thank you anyway. Just curious as to what you gentlemen use on this beast. They are 158gr and probably will be using IMR4227. But I'm open to suggestions on loads. Brass is all once fired Remington and Standard primers. I really enjoy the DE. What are some if your favorite loads?
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Post by SnapShot on Aug 8, 2015 10:11:57 GMT -5
Hey LEX ~
Those DE's are real fun. I have one of the original Israel made 50AE's and an extra 44 MAG barrel (the change over is less than a minute). Haven't gotten into the 357 with it because that requires a bolt change. The 50 & 44 only require barrel and Magazine. I haven't fired any cast yet just large jacketed stuff but I really enjoy the gun. You have me thinking about cast loads, I may have to add that to my project list. Enjoy your DE and have fun.
~ SnapShot
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Post by lexusmgr on Aug 9, 2015 15:06:09 GMT -5
Sure thing SnapShot
I got some comments in another forum concerning the use of lead in DEs. It was suggested to use Gas Checks and Powder Coating with a base covered with paint. Both methods seem to prevent fouling. I was uncertain, but I'm going to try a few of each as a test. Really enjoy the feel of the DE. It's a solid firearm!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 4:23:54 GMT -5
Hello Lex,
That’s a nice pistol! In the past I had one as well (.357 & .44 barrels), but due to Dutch regulations these pistols are now illegal to own. I had the original IMI version, it came with clear instructions not to use lead bullets or reloaded ammo for that matter. Not that I listened to that, I reloaded both calibers for the pistol. Never the less I used only Hornady XTP’s or Sierra bullets and later on also copper plated bullets.
There are many do’s and don’t’s out there regarding using lead/cast bullets in these pistols due to the polygon barrels and the “gas system”. In my honest opinion: if you clean and check your guns after and during shooting there is not that much to worry about. The gas port can clog up with debris and lead residue (even with gas checks!). During original factory tests it showed that lead bullets caused problems with the gas system, but I think that they did not stop after just 100 rounds or so.....
I had several good loads but I never used IMR-4227 (it was never for sale here). My loads are with 158gr Hornady XTP’s (the best loads at the top of the list)
* Hodgdon H110 (Winchester 296) - 16,2gr
* VithaVuori N110 - 15,5gr
* Alliant 2400 - 14,4gr
* Accurate #9 - 13,7gr
* Accurate #2 - 6,9gr (not the best of them all)
Note: The gun needs a bit more power than most other semi-auto pistols, minimum loads did not work for me with this pistol.
Plus the gun was not free from trouble, I broke twice the spring rods (both of them) and the spring plate (that holds the 2 springs in to place). Replacement parts eventually came from “Magnum Research” and not from IMI.
Having said that, it was a great pistol to own, it’s a shame I had to sell it due to those darn Dutch laws.
PJ.
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Post by lexusmgr on Aug 10, 2015 10:33:48 GMT -5
Hello pj
Thanks for the input. Sorry to hear about those regulations. I do have VVN110. I'll do a few loads with that also to try out. I like VVN because they are very clean burning powders. I used to use N320 and N350 for other pistol rounds, but it's hard to find now and pricey when you can. I was planning on doing some medium loads to start until I find the "sweet spot".
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Post by merdoc357 on Mar 23, 2016 7:48:07 GMT -5
OK, I have to say something, lol and please correct me if I am inaccurate. I have heard that you can only shoot jacketed bullets in the DE. reason for this is that others have told me that, if Lead projectile is used, it clogs up the gas system in the DE. I am not sure what the story is about using polimer , or coated bullets. It would be worth a look, so see if polimer or (coated bullets) will have any interference with the gas system, as in either they do, or do not clog up the gas system of a DE. I would be very interested to know this results, because depending on every ones input, will determine weather or not I invest in a DE or not, So I am open for all comments. Take care, and keep on loading, and feed those empty chambers, and remember, Guns don't need to go hungry, lol
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Post by SnapShot on Mar 23, 2016 10:58:35 GMT -5
I have found that my Desert Eagle will digest hard cast projectiles as well as and gas operated weapon. I just recently tried some hard cast projectile. Any gas operated system must be kept free of restrictions. I will say I do shoot mostly jacketed projectiles more than cast because I like to shoot higher velocities. Regular cleaning as with any weapon prevents build up and the Eagle is very easy to clean.
Please note I only shoot 50 AE and 44 Magnum, I do not have 357 barrel and bolt. The switch between 50AE and 44 Magnum only requires magazine and barrel change over (about a 2 minute job). Converting to 357 also requires bolt change.
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Post by lexusmgr on Jun 13, 2016 21:15:10 GMT -5
Hello gentlemen
It has been quite a while since I last attended our forum. I lost my wife last October, so for a while I really did not do much as far as reloading. Well, I'm back into it again. This is a follow up on the 357 DE.
I loaded 158gr Semi-clad bullets using 15.5gr of H110 and Magnum primers. I was very happy with results. The pistol worked flawlessly after firing 250 rounds. I blew huge holes into all my tin cans spread out from 10 to 40 yes away. And clean up was a snap. Very little residue remained.
Thank you all for the suggestions. Hope to contribute more again soon.
Regards
Lex
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Post by hacker54 on Jun 13, 2016 23:07:34 GMT -5
Lex,
Sorry to hear of your loss. My regards to you. I am lost on your term semi-clad. Sorry but this term eludes me. I'm familiar with semi-wad cutter and semi-jacketed. Clad to me means like your are clad in armor or fur clothing. a clad bullet to me means clad in a coat of gilding metal or a powder coat like you do to your cast bullets. Just a term I'm not familiar with.
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Post by poohzilla on Jun 14, 2016 6:13:05 GMT -5
Lex, while I'm happy to hear from you, I am sorry to hear of your wife's passing. Now that you're back, stay in touch.
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Post by SnapShot on Jun 14, 2016 16:38:41 GMT -5
Lex
My family and I have you and your family in our prayers as you deal with such a huge loss.
This forum has developed into somewhat of a family and I am sure that all of us are with you in thought and prayer.
I look forward to your posts and sharing our common interests as friends.
~ Larry (SnapShot)
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Post by bob on Jun 14, 2016 23:29:24 GMT -5
Lex, I'm very sorry for your loss. I'm also hapy to see you back!
Bob
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Post by lexusmgr on Jun 25, 2016 9:00:27 GMT -5
Gentlemen
Thank you all. I certainly appreciate your words. God has a plan for all of us.
I think Semi-clad is just another term for Jacketed soft point. The jacket goes up on the sides of the bullet leaving soft lead. Might be old terminology. I found it in the Owners Manual for the DE. It was made by Israeli Military Industries.
One thing for sure, they work great!
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