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Post by hacker54 on Aug 21, 2015 22:04:32 GMT -5
No guys I am not drunk or had been drinking. Yes you are reading right "Reloading for the 22LR" I got an e-mail notice on this subject and will post the link to the article. I received this Tue. of this week. It is from the NRA's "Shooting Sports USA" I read over this article and found it quite interesting. In the article it states that it could bring down the cost of a brick to about $8.00. The PITA part is removing the spent priming mixture and replacing with new. The kit has data for several powders to use like 700X and Pooh if you are reading this yes Unique. At the bottom of the article it gives the prices and the link to the manufacturer's web site. So here is the link to the article: www.ssusa.org/articles/2015/8/18/reloading-22-long-rifle-a-new-option-for-competitors/ |
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Post by krwada on Aug 25, 2015 15:50:57 GMT -5
How does one remove the dent on the RIM of a once-fired case?
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Post by poohzilla on Aug 25, 2015 17:31:22 GMT -5
Hey, if it uses Unique, it can't be all bad ! Imagine getting 7000 loads per pound ! It did get my curiosity up, and if you check out youtube, there are a bunch of videos. Ken, it appears that the trick on the dent is to orient the loaded cartridge so the firing pin hits another place on the rim. (Doesn't appear that the scraper does anything to remove the dent.) The kit comes with a tong tool that includes two bullet molds of different weight and the crimper. No insulation on the mold handles (ouch) Priming-get this !- was originally match heads, mixed with a little acetone. They now offer a two part mixture that is applied much the same way. One concern I had was how the rim would hold up for a second shot, given the dent.
On some level, it would be cool to announce you're about to do some testing on your .22 reloads. The tinkerer in me cries out to try this. On the other hand, I don't think I'd want a steady diet of it. Cost for the basic kit is ~$60. The optional resizing die is about the same, and a bag of the priming mix is around $20, with claims that it will do 2000 rounds.
I don't see myself doing it at this time, but it's interesting to contemplate. If anyone tries it, I'll be interested, particularly in reports from this bunch !
Thanks for an interesting topic, Hacker !
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Post by hacker54 on Aug 25, 2015 21:52:13 GMT -5
Pooh,
If I can get the funds for both the kit and the die I would try this. I can see it now at the range telling people to not throw away their empties but to give them to me. If they ask why of course I'll tell them that I reload my ammo. I can just see the looks from the people I would get.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 5:04:31 GMT -5
I have seen the reloading kit as well (about 8 months ago or so in a gun magazine). It got my attention pure as a fun gadget and not for economical or availability reasons. I did some calculations and with the current (Dutch) gun powder prices I must reload 22,340 rounds just to break even, this includes the kit (equipment) purchase and shipment/customs fees. And not included is the lead for casting the bullets (I can get the lead for free). Converted from Euro’s to Dollars, currently a 1000 rounds pack/brick (.22LR’s) cost me: * Eley Tenex Pistol Match / $ 105.00 * Lapua X-Act / $ 151 * CCI Standard /$ 58 So reloading for economical reasons does not make sense at all and most certainly for the cheaper CCI’s. Plus I do wonder if I can achieve the same quality and accuracy compared to the Eley Tenex....... strongly doubt that. Since I have a couple .22Short and .22LR antique Winchester pump/lever action rifles I thought it would be funny to reload them with black powder. My Hämmerli .22LR Sporting Pistol is extremely picky and has super tight tolerances, so reloading for this pistol is also not an option. I have contacted the Sharp Shooter .22LR Reloader company ( 22lrreloader.com/ ) if they ship to the Netherlands. But they already encountered some trouble with the Dutch Customs, apparently I was not the first or only Dutchman to give it a shot. Knowing my self I will go full power reloading/casting the .22LR’s, I wonder how hot these handles will become. Experience with similar moulds would tell me that the handles will become very hot, not that pleasant when you like to cast a lot of bullets. PJ |
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Post by gws on Aug 26, 2015 10:00:12 GMT -5
I also have seen it before. If I bought one it would be to put away for the time when you can't buy .22 ammo any more.....along with a stash of cases. The lead I got, the powder I got, but would have to buy their priming mix kit. Wonder how long that lasts, how many rounds 1 kit would make. I also wonder (since it's two inert chemicals mixed) if its the same thing as Tannerite? If so Tannerite might be a source for larger quantities cheaper??
Of course if you buy the kit you are going to HAVE to try it out to see how well...easy...fast it works..............just so you have a feel for it. It might even be kinda fun, but many years ago I bought a Lee Target Loader (that I still have) and after loading the first 20 cases of .243 rifle, the novelty was over........and I bought a Rock Chucker. Yup, the kit is still 20 cases old.  |
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Post by poohzilla on Aug 26, 2015 13:10:49 GMT -5
Gary, are you thinking of springing for the optional resizing die and shell holder ? G, being a poor dumb kid from New Hamster, the name Tannerite vaguely rings a bell, but I'm not sure what it is. Can you give us a little background ?
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Post by hacker54 on Aug 26, 2015 15:56:27 GMT -5
Pooh, If I can get the funds to get all that's mentioned I would go for it. Can you see the look on the guys at the gun shows that are selling 500 round bricks for $50+ that I can reload for under $10 a brick. As the Tannerite goes here is a link to their site. This should help answer your question. www.tannerite.com/Greg, As the Lee Loader goes I have one in 38spl and that is how I started out in my reloading career. Yes I have advanced since then. |
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Post by poohzilla on Aug 26, 2015 17:37:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the link, Hacker ! Sometimes, at my advanced age, I have trouble with names. 
Now, here's an imponderable: My guess is that aluminum cases will be less suitable for this purpose than the traditional brass ones, for the same basic reasons. Consider that a tossup for the guys with metallurgy/materials experience ! |
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Post by gws on Aug 26, 2015 19:14:01 GMT -5
Pooh, if not for your great forum handle, I'd be having the same name problem. Hard to forget Pooh......your real name is another matter.....I know it I know it......ah hell, it'll come eventually. I remember Tannerite because a relative invented it. My mother's maiden name was Tanner. The relative is a lot smarter than me. --Greg
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Post by springfieldxdm on Aug 27, 2015 20:14:30 GMT -5
From a chemical composition tannerite basic breaks down into 2 major components and some minor additions for flash. Aluminum powder and 34-0-0 (ammonium nitrate) are the major guys and are stable when mixed with regard to shock, and impact. The reason tannerite goes boom is the heat and friction of the bullet traveling through the mixture. We have made these targets for years without ever having any problems. The big deal and instability comes from adding phosphorus and other flash producing components. I'm not a chemist and I like my hands so we don't have the flashy tannerite knock off.
So even if you could get it into liquid form it would not set off your .22lr as a priming compound. Sorry
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Post by gws on Aug 28, 2015 0:01:56 GMT -5
I've never bought, used, or seen Tannerite used by others. I just assumed it was less stable once mixed. When I was a kid I made Model Rocket fuel, with 7 parts powdered sugar and 1 part Saltpeter (potassium nitrate). It required heat to fire, too.
Now if we add just a touch of Nitro Glycerin like Federal does......as if I knew where to get it, and as if I wanted to be within a mile of it.
Actually I want nothing to do with flash producing chemicals either.
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Post by springfieldxdm on Aug 28, 2015 7:16:48 GMT -5
Because we are mean and actually haze the new members to our gun club, we typically pull a big tannerite scare on the first trip to the range. After "carefully mixing" all the secrete ingredients behind the truck we walk near the new guy and pretend to trip thus tossing the small tub of tannerite towards their chest. It's amazing the screams and yells that are heard and all are recorded for future blackmail use.
edit: this is perfectly safe and will not result in explosion with our mixture. Your mixture may vary, do this at your own risk
Get your nitro from the nitro pills from the heart dr... :-)
On a serious note, reloading .22lr sounds good in theory but sounds like way too much work. I can only assume that accuracy would suffer, and that casting bullets in a single mold would be a PIA. Think of the time it would take to load a brick, and how fast you would fire that brick at the range.
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Post by gws on Aug 28, 2015 14:30:42 GMT -5
You club hazers are evil! I have nitro gl. pills. they have a short shelf life and mine are 15 years old. They probably have about a half a percent of it in new ones.....so I doubt that's a good source. As for loading slow and shooting fast, you missed the point of the product, at least from my point of view. I see a time when me and my take down 10-22 has to runaway with my family when law and order disappear. maybe there will be no room or time for a crate full of .223, or .308, or even .22 ammo. What to do...what to do. Ah, grab some spent cases (light) and the kit, and go. Who cares if you can make a brick.....when your hungry and you can shoot a rabbit, or whatever for dinner.....better than nothing. Finding lead would be the only worry, but fishing lures quickly come to mind. No perfect answers in a SHTF situation.....best keep all the options open you can, then punt with what you have. Nows a pretty good time to prepare.... We had a small tornado/thunderstorm here 2 days ago. No damage on the scale they suffer in the midwast and east, but damage it did. Roofs removed, big tree's uprooted, and 6" of hail. My daughters garden didn't make it. Rows of tomatos are shredded stumps 1" high, her big trees are only half there with 8" limbs shredded off and no leaves. (Sycamores and Silver Maples) Then came the rain.....many were flooded. Hey that's nothing for people in Missouri, but here in NW New Mexico......totally unheard of. We thought we were immune to such a thing. Hmmm, angels opening books already? Why do I mention that? Preparedness. None of us are prepared as well as we could be. Our serene American way can change in one day. I hear Florida has another Hurricane on the way......those people are probably more prepared than most of us.....not the first time there. |
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Post by springfieldxdm on Aug 28, 2015 15:17:32 GMT -5
I totally agree about preparedness. I am an "ammo junkie", and fortunately have way more than I will ever shoot in a lifetime. My dad always told me "without ammo your gun is just a fancy stick", guess it stuck. I store ammo in all kinds of different locations. Cars, trucks, garage, house, lake house, etc. I just have to make sure I'm in familiar territory, and I'm gtg. :-)
As far as the the Lamb opening the book in Revelations, I intend to be gone when it's opened. I hope to see you then, and then you can explain first person about all your bullet feeder mods that still stump me. I used to teach a class on the book at church and everyone got lost in the dragons and pregnant women bit and forgot what the book was really about and how safe we will be.
Weather and calamities are tricky, just stock up and have faith :-)
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Post by dangun on Aug 28, 2015 19:11:39 GMT -5
Ok, So I sitting in the RV herein Florida. Nope I haven't made it too far from where I started. The swamp life has a strong hold on me. Anyway the phone rings and it is Gary. So I call him back, we talk and in a matter of about 15 minutes I am clicking the buy it button for the 22lr reloading kit, Resizing die and a couple of repriming compound packets. Just another caliber to reload. Like I needed that! (I may not answer the next time he calls....LOL)
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Post by gws on Aug 28, 2015 19:25:30 GMT -5
Springfield: Hmmm, you and I could have fun talking about Revelations and the tail end of Matthew. Rev. chapter 13 is my favorite. Post Rome Europe is there, Hitler is there, well...for 4 and 1/2 years. The 666 is interesting too.....that may be starting to happen now....the technology is here....especially if you think of the mark as a computer chip. Bar codes were conceived in the Netherlands I believe...our local Netherlands expert can verify that, I'll bet. they all have 3 sixes...... But I digress, sorry Gary! Like I said the kit is an option we may be wise to invest in. |
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Post by hacker54 on Aug 28, 2015 19:31:29 GMT -5
Admit it Dan you missed my charming voice. LOL Anyway it is good to see you on here again my friend.
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Post by dangun on Aug 28, 2015 22:19:10 GMT -5
After having done more research I think I am going to have buyers remorse on this kit. Check out this review.
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Post by hacker54 on Aug 28, 2015 23:25:24 GMT -5
Even after seeing this review I would still like to get one to play with. It does use other powders so one can experiment with.
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Post by poohzilla on Aug 29, 2015 9:51:05 GMT -5
Igor, eeet leeves ! Hi Dan ! I saw the review when I first got curious about the stuff, and if I remember, he was using Pyrodex. I wonder how other powders, such as (brace yourself for the surprise...) Unique would work. Did you go for the sizing die ? I guess we're all looking forward to your review. Good to see your login.
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Post by dangun on Aug 29, 2015 20:43:46 GMT -5
LOL Yes eeet leeves!!!! eeet spends most of eeeets time in the marshes and swamps. Bow fishing has grabbed me and won't let go. That in combination with the airboats keeps me very busy. Yes I bought the sizing die as well. The accuracy was the big issue for me but the quality of the mold and crimper. I guess I could order a custom mold from lee.
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If so Tannerite might be a source for larger quantities cheaper
My daughter came from Missouri, my son and grand son, my wife and I had a nice dinner of grilled "porter house" pork chops, corn on the cobb, my son, G'son and I share 10/5. G'son is 4 minutes early though @ 10/4.
Pooh I hope you find to right house . 
