poohzilla
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Post by poohzilla on Dec 6, 2017 12:15:49 GMT -5
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Post by hacker54 on Dec 6, 2017 16:49:46 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing this Pooh. I would blame this on today's manufacturing practices. All manufactures do the push push push and get them out the door. They knew but kept going forward with them. My former employer was the same way. They ran a three day production run around the clock and were told several times of the problem but the upper echelon refused to let them shut it down to address the problem. They lost about a third of the product and the cost to go through and clean up the rest. The cost was about four times what it would had been if they shut down and fixed the problem.
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bob
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Post by bob on Dec 6, 2017 19:34:35 GMT -5
Makes one wonder about their other products!
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poohzilla
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Post by poohzilla on Dec 6, 2017 20:04:33 GMT -5
Guys, there's a bunch of potentially intervening causes. I'm not saying that Savage can't goof, but some of the stuff that comes to mind that I'd want to check out include were the users using the right powder ? What did the instructions say about smokeless-measure by weight or volume ? (As in, did someone use a black powder measure and goof ?) I'm not sure how critical air space is with a smokeless load in a front loader, but the bursting barrels show the hallmarks of a load that isn't tamped down properly. The metallurgist's opinion is certainly troubling, but expert witnesses are readily available.
Gotta feel bad for the guys who had them burst. That just had to hurt. (On an ongoing basis, at that !)
The article was quick to bring up the Rem 700 fracas and the old Ruger Blackhawk thing-certainly wasn't an overly analytical piece. Still, I'm curious about the whole thing.
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Post by hacker54 on Dec 6, 2017 20:31:59 GMT -5
If I read the article right the main question was the barrel steel. Reading that this leads me to believe that the barrel steel in the ML is different than their other rifles. Different steels will react differently. I had an older model single shot H&R in 30/30 Win that I was hoping to rechamber to 307 Win. First question was how old and if the receiver was case hardened. This would not handle the higher pressure. The newer models have the blued receiver and all barrels have the same type steel. Savage was smart in discontinuing them. I think to CYA that they should recall all just to be on the safe side and hope to limit legal action against them. Again as Pooh stated did all those that had the ruptures did they follow the instructions to the letter or not.
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bob
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Post by bob on Dec 6, 2017 22:27:13 GMT -5
I agree with both of your analyses and wonder if perhaps a double charge was the culprit. Easy to do with a hunting rifle.
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poohzilla
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Post by poohzilla on Dec 7, 2017 7:22:14 GMT -5
Let's assume that the steel wasn't at fault-did Savage make something too complicated for the average shooter ? (I don't like where such an analysis would lead.) They specified that certain powders and bullet/sabot combinations would work. Would it be foreseeable that someone would substitute Bullseye or something ? Somewhere I have the manual on pdf-if it rains this weekend, I may look it up.
Bob-absolutely correct-and we've all seen pix of what a double charge can do !
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My daughter came from Missouri, my son and grand son, my wife and I had a nice dinner of grilled "porter house" pork chops, corn on the cobb, my son, G'son and I share 10/5. G'son is 4 minutes early though @ 10/4.
Pooh I hope you find to right house . 
