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Post by gws on Feb 25, 2018 0:27:05 GMT -5
New 4 station Progressive coming April 1. To replace the 3 station Pro 1000?
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Post by bob on Feb 25, 2018 14:25:44 GMT -5
GWS, you're as bad as Hacker in trying to empty my wallet.  Seriously though, as a progressive loader user, what is your opinion about this machine and will it accept RCBS dies? I'm considering a small step into progressive or turret for hand gun ammo and perhaps .223. |
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Post by gws on Feb 25, 2018 18:01:10 GMT -5
GWS, you're as bad as Hacker in trying to empty my wallet. Seriously though, as a progressive loader user, what is your opinion about this machine and will it accept RCBS dies? I'm considering a small step into progressive or turret for hand gun ammo and perhaps .223. The old Pro 1000 works ok for handgun ammo, but you have to keep it clean and graphite the primer system often. Most complaints have been over the primer system and the minimal 3 stations. NOBODY has seen this new 4 station press work yet....no vids yet even. But hopefully the new primer system fixes the old problems, but I haven't heard one thing yet. You can't get one until April, except that one outlet is backordering them. I have to reserve judgment for now. that said I would have preferred 5 stations so a bullet feeder (not Lees....unless they improve that) could be added.....or a lock-out die/powder cop station. The price seems cheap enough, but then otherbrands come with powder measures and primer systems....this one seems to use those separately sold. So to compare price things complete with everything you need. I wouldn't put it past me to buy one to tinker with...... There are no "deals" full of value in progressives.....they all nickel and dime you to death once you are suckered in....that especially refers to Dillon. Great quality, just pricy for what you get. The best "deal" IMO is ancient history.....that'd be the RCBS Pro 2000 which aren't sold any more except for a few ebay offerings....and they are asking high prices.....I wouldn't go there either. Maybe now is a wait and see time........Below is their new combination lug that combines a lock nut with a bushing. I'm a tool head fan (Dillon, RCBS) but for those who like bushings, this might be an improvement.........maybe. Again I'll wait and see.  |
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Post by bob on Feb 25, 2018 19:55:24 GMT -5
Thank you for the information, as I indicated this is under consideration not an imminent plan .
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Post by hacker54 on Feb 25, 2018 20:48:30 GMT -5
First off thanks Greg for posting. I was going to post about this but with being ill and with functions just didn't get to it. Yes Bob it will handel RCBS dies and any other 7/8 by 14 thread dies. As far as a replacement for the Pro 1000 no. They did a redesign of the Pro 100 with a new type of base to it and also spent primers are now sent down a tube to be collected. You can check it out on their site. This does have my interest as I have Lee powder measures to use. I do have a Pro 1000 so I can use the case feeder with collator and my Lee powder measures. Oh the Pro 1000 can do certain rifle cartridges such as 223/5.56; 30 M1 carbine; and 7.62x39. The first one mentioned I do on mine for the son-in-law. I hand prime all my cases so my press set up is different to meet my needs. Here is what the redesigned Pro 1000 looks like. If you look at booth presses the base looks the same.  |
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Post by gws on Feb 28, 2018 15:58:10 GMT -5
Bob, you mentioned turrets......IMO you don't gain much with a turret....auto-advance or not. It may be convenient to have all your dies screwed in so you can rotate to another die, but you still have the same # of pulls of the press lever to load a round, one for each and every stage. Also, with a turret you are influenced to NOT do batches. IMO the biggest plus for reloading on a single stage press, is reloading in stages...a batch at a time, where you naturally get to look in each case once charged, a whole batch at a time. That advantage goes away with a turret.....requiring another, easier to forget, kind of vigilance. (Then you have to think powder cops and you lose the simplicity of a single stage in that manner.) On a progressive,you have the same thing for the first few, until your shell plate is filled up, but then after that each pull of the lever gives you a finished round. When you get old like us, there is NO comparison with the kind of workout you may give to your already well-used arms, wrists, and hands. (This Friday I get to have my right hand slit open for a carpal tunnel release "procedure".....I'm hoping for a new lease on reloading!) As you may assume....I'm not interested in any turret....ever.  Hacker points out that the Pro 1000 has been modified (upgraded?) to the same base as their new 4 station progressive. I'm assuming that these new bases are aluminum.....maybe Hacker knows? That is my main concern, that these presses are a mite too light?........and I'd rather have a 5 or better, a 6 station press than a 3 or 4......simply because you have more control and more choices.....like having a powder cop, a bullet feeder, a bullet seater and a crimper.....all separately controlled. On the "lightness", I assume Lee won't produce shell plates for big rifle rounds .308 on up because of that.......and it may be perfectly adequate for what they DO offer. The price is more bearable for many of us than the larger beefier presses......it remains to be seen if they "stay" adequate and bearable for a reloader's future needs. (I said that about shell plates, then realized that the .45acp shell plates also fit .243 to 30-06......we will see if a warning is included with that plate.  ) |
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Post by bob on Feb 28, 2018 23:55:58 GMT -5
Greg,interesting your comment about the turret press, truthfully that is my thought as well. I wished for a turret just twice in 45+ years and that was within the last few years. I had several hundred .45 A.C.P and several hundred .223 cases to prep ie; size, de-prime and in the case of the .45s bell the mouth and the turret would have been handy,though obviously not necessary. To use the cliche, that said, I'm contemplating the progressive addition to my bench.
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Post by gws on Mar 1, 2018 17:21:14 GMT -5
Greg,interesting your comment about the turret press, truthfully that is my thought as well. I wished for a turret just twice in 45+ years and that was within the last few years. I had several hundred .45 A.C.P and several hundred .223 cases to prep ie; size, de-prime and in the case of the .45s bell the mouth and the turret would have been handy,though obviously not necessary. To use the cliche, that said, I'm contemplating the progressive addition to my bench. And that said, about going progressive, you will have to learn (and put up with) other ways to stay safe, since you can't use the wonderfully safe "batch" method of single stage reloading to prevent powder and primer mess ups that can plague us imperfect loaders, who decide to ease and speed up the work of reloading. (such being a requirement for some of us to get to continue in less pain, in the post traumatic stress years, TICheek). The big change is the real need to: 1. see each case filled with powder......and 2. having faith you really did insert a primer, all while moving at a giddy, pleasurable and unheard of, speed!  My first foray into this new wonderful world was when I demonstrated my new Pro 2000 to a buddy, loading 50 .45ACPs in 5 minutes! My buddy picked up my last finished masterpiece and we both watched the powder trickle out the flash hole! Seems that I forgot to snap in the second 25 primer strip (requiring a whole 2 second pause) That embarrassment, prompted me to create an electronic noise making sensor to prevent that oversight......and later a video camera to behold each case filled with powder before being hid by a bullet. Powder Cops and electronic primer tube sensors are new necessities. Lastly, sensory overload is a problem especially for users without automatic case and bullet feeders, who try to go fast.....simply because there is too much to remember as you go along at full speed. At least for stupid old farts like me. Hint....you are tempted to go very fast....resist. Another, that said.........it sure is funner! Just be a tad careful. |
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