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Post by robster on Jun 25, 2014 14:29:16 GMT -5
I have a Ruger Blackhawk in 44 sp and when looking for lead bullets or molds they list both .427 and.429 can I use either or? Is the .427 for older single actions? Or is the only difference .002 and I should not worry?
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Post by hacker54 on Jun 25, 2014 14:53:34 GMT -5
Robster, the .427 is for the 44-40 as that was the diameter for that cartridge an a couple of others. The .429-.430 is for your 44Spl and the 44Mag for lead cast they usually they are .001 over nominal bore dia. Here is a link for the 44-40 on the .427 dia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.44-40_Winchester |
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Post by ultramag on Jun 25, 2014 23:52:20 GMT -5
.002" is a lot in the cast bullet world and a change as little as .001" can make a big difference in accuracy and a leading problem with all other factors being equal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 2:07:06 GMT -5
For a modern .44Special revolver these days you should be fine with the .429 diameter, the .427 is for a .44-40 (44WCF). I use for the .44mag and .44sp all the time .429 or .430 bullets. For the .44specials I cast/size them at .429 for my revolver, slighty larger and it causes leading in the forcing cone. Before you buy a mould you could ask friends or fellow range members if they cast .427 up to .430 bullets. If so ask for a few samples and load them. See and test what works the best. Than buy a mould that has that same diameter. But be aware not all moulds and lead-mixes end up with the desired diameter (as advertised). In my experiance the .429 or .430 is spot on. I even had a old bullet design come to live, I ordered a custom mould made at .430 so that I could size it back if needed.  (Himmelwright .430) PJ |
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Post by robster on Jun 26, 2014 15:34:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply`s. I stopped by a local gun store yesterday(one I don`t stop by often) and he offered me a box of 250,205 gr .427`s at cost and swore they would work. Glad I did not buy them until talking to you guy`s.
P.J. Those are some nice looking bullets!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 2:41:10 GMT -5
Robster: Keep us posted about your results at the range with the 44SP.  PJ |
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Post by robster on Jul 18, 2014 17:48:22 GMT -5
Well I finely able to find some .431 lead bullets in 240 grain weight, could not find any brass so I trimmed down mag brass that I had and loaded them over 8.0 grains of blue dot and I will try them this weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 2:55:11 GMT -5
I just erad that you trim back .44Mag cases back to .44SP. You might run into some trouble with the case wall thickness near the mouth. If you trim back the 44Mag to .44SP than you end up with a much thicker case wall at the new mouth. This can cause seating and crimping issues. Some revolver cylinders will not accept this small extra added cases wall thickness caused by the wrong or shortend brass. My Freedom Arms revolver for instance is to thight to accept them, I need to use original .44SP or .44Mag. For comparison I have included a picture, see the case wall thickness near the mouth. Left: .44Magnum Middle: .44-40 (44WCF) Right: .44SP PJ Attachments:
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Post by robster on Jul 20, 2014 8:53:21 GMT -5
Loaded six trimmed back brass, did not want to do a hole batch as to problems that PJ. suggested, loaded and crimped fine. Shot fine had a seven inch group at 25 yards. I`m not to happy about the grouping but a few friends thought I should be shooting at 20 feet instead. Not sure but I will have to play around some more, before playing with my newest revolver a 38-40 cattleman.
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Post by lexusmgr on Jul 20, 2014 8:53:37 GMT -5
Hello everybody
Been away for a while. Finally found the page. I have been casting 44 cal/240gr out of a Lee mold. After sizing they come out a perfect .430 time after time. The mold is throwing proper size and there is little effort upon resizing. Im shooting them out of a Taurus Raging Bull and so far, no leading. Guess im doing something right. I had been using Alox but now im ppowder coating. Have 200 ready to shoot. Will post results. Dont know how to post pictures in here, or I would show you a few I have done.
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Post by ultramag on Jul 20, 2014 14:16:17 GMT -5
Loaded six trimmed back brass, did not want to do a hole batch as to problems that PJ. suggested, loaded and crimped fine. Shot fine had a seven inch group at 25 yards. I`m not to happy about the grouping but a few friends thought I should be shooting at 20 feet instead. Not sure but I will have to play around some more, before playing with my newest revolver a 38-40 cattleman. Unless you have some really short barreled Blackhawk I would continue testing at 25 yds. or so. The biggest challenge at 20 ft. is going to be coming up with a load that isn't accurate. It will really show you nothing in the majority of your loads at that range then you'll move to 25 yds. and be right where you started this time. |
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Post by gws on Jul 21, 2014 15:06:01 GMT -5
Hello everybody Been away for a while. Finally found the page. I have been casting 44 cal/240gr out of a Lee mold. After sizing they come out a perfect .430 time after time. The mold is throwing proper size and there is little effort upon resizing. Im shooting them out of a Taurus Raging Bull and so far, no leading. Guess im doing something right. I had been using Alox but now im ppowder coating. Have 200 ready to shoot. Will post results. Dont know how to post pictures in here, or I would show you a few I have done. Welcome back! I haven't got into making my own lead yet.....maybe when I get to retire. Right now my front burner project is going to be an annealer I've wanted for a long time. The goal will be to keep it simple so anyone can build it. I will post the results and how-to on our forum. As to posting pictures here, its really easy. Just follow Dangun's instructions on the "HowTo" Section near the top of the home page. If you have trouble just message Dan or me.....we will get you going. |
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